Synthetic Oil Discussion / Which Synthetic Oil?
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Just found Pennzoil Ultra is on the shelves now. $28 per 5 quarts bottle. A little more expensive than the Platinum but almost same price as Mobil 1. It is advertised as "Cleans out up to 35% more engine sludge than our next best synthetic oil" as the best oil on the market. Sounds pretty good but not sure about that until someone try. I'll probably switch to this one on my next oil change.
http://www.orangelineoil.com/images/med ... ochure.pdf
The Brochure of the new oil.
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_ ... 241744.pdf
Technical Data Sheet.
http://www.orangelineoil.com/images/med ... ochure.pdf
The Brochure of the new oil.
http://www.epc.shell.com/Docs/GPCDOC_X_ ... 241744.pdf
Technical Data Sheet.
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I'm trying to find that up here for the next oil change on my Mustang coming up in April! Been to a few stores where I live and in Sac; nothing. Lucky!! If I can't find it by then, PP it is. There's just no point in running Amsoil SSO for 1yr/1,500 mile oil changes, lol. I'm still trying to get a hold of He Hate Me to get some Amsoil for the Neon...
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It's probably not worth it.
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Oil changed to Ultra after running with Seafoam for several miles. Feeling nothing different running with K&N oil filter (maybe I should run it on a Ferrari?...). Got it $28 ($4.5 more than Mobil 1, $8 more than Pennzoil Platinum). Not worth it. It's just synthetic oil same as PP or Mobil 1.
It claims that it can clean up even UP TO 35% more sludge than PP (their next best oil? PP already claims that it can clean UP TO 43% so Ultra is likely 58% via calculation? I did notice 2 fallacy number "UP TO #%") and prevent sludge forming (the purpose of almost all of the oil). It is just some brand name expensive oil same as Royal Purple. Some claims are just too much over.
The reason why it might be that expensive is the "Ferrari Recommended". We all know Ferrari is expensive, so should their "recommended" oil.
It claims that it can clean up even UP TO 35% more sludge than PP (their next best oil? PP already claims that it can clean UP TO 43% so Ultra is likely 58% via calculation? I did notice 2 fallacy number "UP TO #%") and prevent sludge forming (the purpose of almost all of the oil). It is just some brand name expensive oil same as Royal Purple. Some claims are just too much over.
The reason why it might be that expensive is the "Ferrari Recommended". We all know Ferrari is expensive, so should their "recommended" oil.
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You will never "feel" any difference in any car by changing the oil. I have $11/qt. oil in my Mustang right now. How much of a difference did I feel when I put that in? None. It is similar to PP, but still better than M1.
That really is the intent of Ultra though. To clean better than any other oil really. As for sludge, all say that. It's marketing. None are going to say that their oil won't clean or help prevent it.
It's on the pricier side because...it's the newest, latest and greatest from them. Over time, the price will drop just like PP has.
That really is the intent of Ultra though. To clean better than any other oil really. As for sludge, all say that. It's marketing. None are going to say that their oil won't clean or help prevent it.
It's on the pricier side because...it's the newest, latest and greatest from them. Over time, the price will drop just like PP has.
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I agree. PP is used to be $23.50 for 5 quarts bottle, now is $20 for the same thing. This might be caused just by the come out of Ultra. So I'll just stick with what I said, Ultra, PP, M1, they are all good fully synthetic oil.
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Yeah, you will never feel a difference when changing oil.
The only things you will notice without an analysis are sounds and consumption, beyond that it's all heresay without hard numbers.
The only things you will notice without an analysis are sounds and consumption, beyond that it's all heresay without hard numbers.
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Stick with 5w30 or 10w30. Anything thicker really isn't needed. I considered 5w40, but never got a chance to test it.
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I used to try 10w40 long times ago and didn't really feel the difference and I just don't feel comfortable with that so I'm using 10w30 all the time.
After 5K miles I switched back to PP from Ultra. It's not worth it to buy $28.50 Ultra instead of $20 PP. I guess they are exactly the same thing just "Ferrari Recommended". I'll stick with PP all the time later.
After 5K miles I switched back to PP from Ultra. It's not worth it to buy $28.50 Ultra instead of $20 PP. I guess they are exactly the same thing just "Ferrari Recommended". I'll stick with PP all the time later.
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I'm sure there are differences, you just won't ever feel anything due to changing oils.
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i use 10w40 for fresno ca summers and 10w30 doesnt make a diff in winter cept for more consumption plus my engine has 140000 arent ya supposed to go one higher?
from 5w30 to 10w40?
used to use penzoil plat 10w30 but it started consuming till i found that mobil 1 10w40 high milage slowed that to a crawl
from 5w30 to 10w40?
used to use penzoil plat 10w30 but it started consuming till i found that mobil 1 10w40 high milage slowed that to a crawl
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No, you do not need to go a viscosity higher.
We ran 5w30 in a 3.0 mistu until we got rid of it at about 180,000 miles. Only used a half qt between changes.
We ran 5w30 in a 3.0 mistu until we got rid of it at about 180,000 miles. Only used a half qt between changes.
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Nothing wrong with 0w30. The only true difference between 0w30 and 5w30 is the cold flow ability, that's it.
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My Jeep 4.0 carries better oil pressure at idle with 0w-30.
Don't have an OP gauge in the neon, so can't say if there is a difference in the 2.0
Don't have an OP gauge in the neon, so can't say if there is a difference in the 2.0
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Where in CA are you?
0w oil will be better than 5w. However, the big difference would be going from 5w conventional to 0w synthetic, not 5w synthetic to 0w synthetic.
You are over thinking this, oil needs are very simple.
0w oil will be better than 5w. However, the big difference would be going from 5w conventional to 0w synthetic, not 5w synthetic to 0w synthetic.
You are over thinking this, oil needs are very simple.
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