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Finally got my rear bar on.... had to DIY - PICS!!!


 
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Post: #1   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Finally got my rear bar on.... had to DIY - PICS!!! Reply with quote

Well, i got the rear bar strut tabs in from chrysler... but everything didnt go as planned.

The 2004 r/t rear bar and struts have the holes lined up for a vertical endlink. The tabs are built for a horizontal endlink... so i had to make my own endlinks that would finally join the two up. So heres what i did!

I built my own Heim Joint sway bar endlinks... alot easier than i would have thought. I'll post the pics i took later when i figure out how in the crap you use photobucket...

the endlinks basically consisted of: two really long bolts, four of the stock endlink bushings, two heim joints, and some various nuts, bolts, and washers.

Turned out pretty sweet if you ask me... like i said, i load up some pics of the links and the install later.




(edit...) PIX!!!






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Post: #2   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I will need to do. Where did you get the heim joints?
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Post: #3   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

my local bearing shop supplied them for $6.50 a peice... i believe they were a 7/16 hole through the ball and a 7/16 fine thread bolt into the female end.


(edit) And just for the record, i did have to shorten the sleeves that space the bushings from the heim joint... but the flat caps on each end just pop off of the sleeve, then you cut to length, and then pop the cap back on.
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Post: #4   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nicely done, hows it handle now?
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Post: #5   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ummm. honestly i cant tell a whole lot of difference... but i did swap the front bar to a 24mm only last week. I do notice a little more rotation from the rear end under hard braking, but the front still likes to plow. At this moment i am a little unbiased as to wether or not i like it. But a little time on the asphalt will tell.

One thing i am happy with is that i can easily upgrade to a larger rear bar now. The long bolts i used are grade 8 and the heim joints are aircraft grade... so they should handle just about any bar


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Oh, and just so everyone knows.. in the pics above, the long bolts that go down into the heim joint arent all the way tight. These pics were an in-between install pic. The nut just above the joint is actually used as a lock nut against the joint
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Post: #6   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

id suggest some good springs and struts (which eliminate the need for any custom work to mount the rear sway, btw). my suspension mods are starting to pile up, and id say that the drop made the biggest diff, and the rear sway addition was was very effective. my car's pretty stiff now, and the only thing its lacking is tires (which directly relates to what my wallet is lacking Laughing ). after that, its gonna be a beast!
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Post: #7   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i've got 1st gen acr springs on the way...
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Post: #8   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what kinda drop are those good for? not much huh? pick up some good struts and you'll be set bro.
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Post: #9   PostPosted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think everyone says around a 1.5 drop all around... i'm not sure. I'll get pics of those when they get in.

Not sure what struts i want, but i'll get to that later.
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Post: #10   PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice! Where did you get those brackets and how much!!!
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Nice! Where did you get those brackets and how much!!!

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yeah, the brackets are chrysler. the vitor units are the same shape, but seem to be thicker and don't have a nut already welded to them. This install was actually pretty straight forward after i werked out what parts i would be using.

I guess this would be my close to one week update, everything in the rear is still tight. I did use locktite blue on the bolts that go from the heim joint into the bracket. Just wanted that extra security that they wouldnt be wiggliing out. There is no noticeable noise in the rear, i had expected some because of solidness of the heim joint, but still there is none.

This upgrade made a nice difference in the feel of the car. And it also seems that my braking distance has reduced sine the add of the rear and the front upgrade. I would deffinatley recommend a rear bar for those who dont have one, and an upgrade for those who do.
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Post: #13   PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Might think of a larger rear bar to balance out that huge front one. It will make it understeer less.
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what kinda drop are those good for? (ACR/RT 1gn springs) not much huh?


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Post: #15   PostPosted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i got mine put on back on the fall... and i honestly dont think i got 2 inches. Maybe 1.5" up front and 2" in the back.
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nice work.

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Post: #17   PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesn't the heim joint kinda defeat the purpose? i mean isn't a sway bar suposed to stiffen it rear ind up?
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Post: #18   PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heim joints dont have much if any vertical play. They are stiffer than using stock rubber bushings. A sway bar keeps the car from leaning, not supposed to stiffen it up.

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Post: #19   PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Race cars use Heim joints for free motion in the moving parts with NO PLAY. But subject to wear. Polly is another good choice but not as free.
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4626764 - $13.60msrp NS1 as of Jan 2008 - 12 left in the country
4626725 - $13.60msrp
Those are the numbers for the brackets used in this topic....
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Post: #21   PostPosted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nice write up and pics! =)

i def want this upgrade on my car
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Post: #22   PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:40 am    Post subject: Drooling over heim joint photos Reply with quote

ewetho wrote:
Race cars use Heim joints for free motion in the moving parts with NO PLAY. But subject to wear. Polly is another good choice but not as free.


I know the thread is old, and I won't make anymore rear sway bar upgrades to my ACR, but I would have opted out of using the OEM bushings.

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Post: #23   PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used what I had. It worked for what I was doing at the time.
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