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Post: #151   PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The moisture may have cracked the bulb.

I had a set of aftermarket lights, years ago (before neons), that were not cheap, but kept getting moisture in them. The bulbs would be shattered all over the insides. cussing

I eventually just pulled them off and tossed them.

I used the driver side opening on my '01 to duct air into the inner fender before i went with my short ram intake. It still sort of pushes cooler air out of the hole in the inner fender.
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Post: #152   PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The moisture may have cracked the bulb.


One of my indicator lights were not working on my 1st gen a few weeks ago. When I pulled it out I had to realize that the bulb itself was full of water. Never saw that before...
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I pulled the bulbs out when I first got the car and they looked brand new, so I don't know what's wrong with them. If I do the delete panels, I might either cut a hole or just leave the driver's side piece off. I removed it and attached some mesh on my old '02 and it fed air to my AEM CAI.
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Stance!



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Sorry. I'm working on it right now and posting shit while I'm taking a break. I'm bored. Updates later.
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OK. Siverstones are now Greystones. Once applied to the wheels, the grey looks a bit lighter than I was expecting. It's not bad, though. I'll keep them like this for a little while.





When I had the alignment done, I also had them remove all the hammer-on wheel weights and replace them with the stick-on kind. I put the trusty die grinder to work smoothing out all the curb rashes and blended them into the outer lip a little. I didn't remove enough material to affect the balance. I rubbed all the faces with 220 grit, wiped them down, and sprayed almost two full cans of paint on them. They're nice and shiny. I hope they hold up.

I also swapped out the chrome valve stem caps for black plastic ones. Because fuck chrome.
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eBay intakes have come a long way. I know I'm going to have to modify the short piece to work with the Magnum. I have a 45-degree coupler to help with that. I'm also going to use my existing K&N filter instead of the Autozone special they provided.

I like how the original plan involved almost no engine mods, but now that list is longer than anything else. It's such a slippery slope.
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I had a super frustrating evening. I received the eBay CAI and a set of raccoon eye headlights yesterday and attempted to install them last night. I pulled the front bumper, headlights, and the factory intake system. I removed the factory fogs from the bumper cover and zip-tied the plugs back to the core support. Next was the CAI. Since this wasn't designed for a Magnum, I also purchased a 45-degree coupler to correct the angle of the piece that goes between the manifold and the TB. I had to cut the pipe and the coupler to get them to roughly the right angle. I didn't trim enough from the pipe and I cut just a little too much off of the coupler, so the angle is just a little bit off. Not a big deal.

The elbow that goes into the fender didn't want to line up with anything. It has a little arm that is supposed to bolt onto one of the existing battery tray bolts, just like the AEM intake. Unfortunately, they didn't provide a longer bolt, so I couldn't use the rubber isolator they provided, nor could I get them to line up at all. The kit contained a few extra pieces of aluminum to use as support brackets, so I put an extra hole and bend into a small one and used that to connect the tube to the battery tray.

There isn't quite enough room in the designated area to mount the cone filter. It pushes firmly on the fender liner. The hole in the tube for the IAT is too large and doesn't come with a grommet, so I had to repurpose a grommet from the factory airbox and trim the hole in the tube. The piece of vacuum hose they provided isn't long enough or the correct diameter for the intended purpose. The coupler from the TB to the tube that goes into the fender is too short and barely holds on. I'll have to purchase a new one to replace it so I'm not constantly worried it will come off. The list goes on.

I eventually got everything hooked up and lined the hole in the frame with a piece of rubber, to prevent the usual foghorn sound. I spent hours getting to this point and was exhausted and frustrated. It was time to reassemble with my badass new headlights that I was super excited for. I pull out the driver's side headlight and it's fucking broken. The inner reflector had come separated from the outer housing and flopped around inside it. Can I get a fucking break?!

So I reassembled it with the shitty stock headlights and took the car for a quick spin. It's louder, feels noticeably stronger, and it held together. I called it quits. This morning on my way to work, I was enjoying the little bump in the powerband until I was greeted with the foghorn of death at a stoplight. God dammit.
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This morning on my way to work, I was enjoying the little bump in the powerband until I was greeted with the foghorn of death at a stoplight. God dammit.


If only it would emanate outward from the car, striking fear into dogs, cats, pedestrians, and small children. At least then you would get some kind of satisfaction... Very Happy



I used to scare the Canadian geese that would walk next to the road when I had the 65mm TB. It would make a very loud deep sound when you went WOT at 20 mph. The Bogging Sound of Hell. The wife didn't see the humor, but I certainly did. Twisted Evil
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Why is it that wives so rarely share the pleasure of hellacious automotive sounds? I thoroughly enjoyed scaring pedestrians (and the occasional traffic cop) with the BOV in my SRT, and setting off car alarms with loud exhaust in parking garages. Wife never shared the giggles with me. So disappointing.
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Low profile jacks FTW ROFL

Anyway, my fog light looks just like yours. It probably just the over flow for the blinker fluid haha.
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I remedied the vacuum line issue by just deleting it. Small breather on the back of the valve cover and a rubber cap on the tube outlet.





That coupler from the TB to the tube is holding on for dear life. I'm going to order a longer one to give it some slack. I'm also going to do some major vacuum line cleanup. I need to figure out the diameters of the PCV hose and the one from the TB to the firewall. It's kind of a mess right now.
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Pretty sure the PCV to the IM is 3/8 tubing. That's what I used anyways.

The TB to the purge flow solenoid is either 1/4 or 5/16. Brake line, or copper tube works well to bend up a better route. A little black gloss if desired, and it looks factory.

I originally did the PCV air make up inlet filter like yours, but I had to route the air inlet filter away from the back of the valve cover, because there is enough blow by to push oil vapor out of the inlet. The filter then drips onto the exhaust manifold...
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Thanks for the measurements. I'm going to pick up some bulk hose and reroute a few things.

I've put the little breather on two other Neons (SOHC and DOHC) and never noticed any drips. That doesn't mean it wasn't happening, though. I probably just never noticed. I'll keep an eye on this one.

I spent a decent amount of time opening up the oil return ports, so there shouldn't be any spillage during hard driving. I could always add a catch can, I suppose.
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Post: #164   PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why is it that wives so rarely share the pleasure of hellacious automotive sounds? I thoroughly enjoyed scaring pedestrians (and the occasional traffic cop) with the BOV in my SRT, and setting off car alarms with loud exhaust in parking garages. Wife never shared the giggles with me. So disappointing.


My wife gets a chuckle with the car alarm thing. My Neon isn't that loud, but it's real deep (Borla kit). Parking garages can be pretty funny.

She's most amused when we're in the Daytona, and quite often you get someone looking at it with their "what the hell is that" face on, haha.
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I spent a decent amount of time opening up the oil return ports, so there shouldn't be any spillage during hard driving.


It wasn't so much oil collecting it the head, but more of air pushing out of the hole. When the static compression is ~80 psi per cylinder, not much good comes from it.

All the drains and baffles won't stop hot oil vapor from traveling with the air flow.

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My Neon isn't that loud, but it's real deep (Borla kit). Parking garages can be pretty funny.


With my 65mm TB, the intake was louder than the exhaust. Laughing
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I know I brought up a completely separate issue with the porting, but I was just saying that it shouldn't exacerbate any oil leaking issue from that area. The vapor seems much more plausible in my case, so I'll watch for buildup on the filter itself. I picked the one with stainless mesh for just that reason. I think hot motor oil would foul up a little fabric filter pretty quickly.
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Despite the fact that the driver's side unit arrived damaged and I'm waiting for a replacement, I'm super impatient. I got creative with JB Weld and fixed it enough to be functional for the next week. These are one of my favorite visual mods ever.


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I had to run an errand in Seattle today. I snapped this picture on the way back to the car. I think it's looking pretty good.



Looks like I should have parked closer to the curb, too.
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Super undramatic before and after. I replaced the PCV and purge valve vacuum hard lines and zip tied some things out of the way. Not a big difference, but I'm pretty anal about loose hoses and wires going everywhere.





A longer coupler to replace the TB-to-tube will be here in a few days. I'll be able to rest more easily when both sides have more to grip.
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I reassembled this thing so it fits a lot better. Couplers are all the correct length and the TB sits in a better spot, now. This thing is really loud at full throttle, especially when those secondaries open up. It sounds good.


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I Plasti Dipped the R/T emblems so they match the wheels. The gunmetal grey Plasti Dip just so happens to match the grey I used on my wheels pretty closely.





I've managed to kill all the chrome except the exhaust tips.
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Couplers are all the correct length and the TB sits in a better spot, now.


Oh come on, we all know those are grommets!
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I tinted my reverse lights. I did this on my old '02 as well. I dig it. I was going to do the all red thing, but that renders the reverse lights useless. This remains just a tiny bit more functional.


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I got tired of the front end squeaks and ordered a set of Moog ball joints and TRE's. I'm not looking forward to the install, but I am looking forward to a smoother, quieter front end.

I also performed my final break-in oil change last night, at 1,000 miles. The engine has performed flawlessly. Although, I have to admit, I really do miss boost. I think if my finances were in a better situation at the moment, I might already be shopping for a wrecked SRT for the swap. Even if that does happen, I don't think it'll happen for quite a while.

Another thing I've been contemplating is...fender flares. They can look a little juvenile on a street car, depending on execution. One of the only second gens with flares is a red SRT that is fairly infamous on the SRTForums, specifically for his flares. I stole some pics from his build and PhotoShopped his flares onto my car.

I didn't quite get the angle right when I took the photo for this one, so I had to skew the image a bit to make it work. I also had to use his wheels to get an idea for fitment and I really hate his wheels. I darkened them to grey to look more accurate to what I would actually have on my car, but they still look a little off.



I actually like the side profile shot a lot better. Here's one with the unpainted flares.



Here's one where I tried to match them to the car, since I'd more than likely paint them to match.



Despite the fact that I would most likely paint them if I actually went forward with this, I have to admit that I like the black flare picture better. That's probably just because my color edit is kind of weak and they ended up looking washed out. I think the painted flares would look pretty good in real life.

If I did go with flares, I would also go with an aggressive wheel and tire combo. Most likely a 16x8 or even a 16x9, with some really wide tires. No excessive camber, huge spacers, or stretched bullshit. Stance is garbage. It would look like a track car, which is both good and bad. I think it would look cool, but it would attract a lot of unwanted attention. I also have to cut some sheetmetal, which makes this a one-way ticket. That makes me super nervous.

I don't know. It's all hypothetical at this point.
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Not going to tell you what to do, but I just don't think a Neon can look any better than a 2nd gen R/T with nothing done other than a modest drop. Personally I think fender flares would ruin that car.
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Looks like a Sebring...


IDK, I have to agree with Jon, it isn't doing much for me either. But again, it's your car.

Wider tires are really going to point out road surface irregularities too. Even with all new suspension parts, and a good alignment, it will still want to pull to one side or the other when you have mis matched road surfaces/water from side to side. More so when braking, or accelerating.
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To be perfectly honest, part of the reason I was contemplating them was to cover up a dent that came on the car. It's the only real damage to the body, other than a rust bubble by the taillight. You can't see it well in this picture, but it bugs me. It's on the rear wheel arch, toward the bottom, next to the door. I can fix a lot of things, but sheetmetal damage is not not one of them.


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Wouldn't it cost less to have the dent repaired at a body shop than doing fender flares? I honestly don't know how much either costs, so I could be way off.
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The dent has cracked paint around it and a chip of paint missing on the back door. It would probably cost $1500 to have that fixed and I could install flares for under $200. There was a guy selling a set of the old, discontinued EGR flares online (no cutting or drilling), but I passed them up because I'm too broke at the moment. I think I've abandoned the flare idea for now, but I could revisit later.
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Post: #180   PostPosted: Fri May 26, 2017 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My front speakers were blown and it's been driving me nuts, so I ordered a set of 6.5" Infinitys and wiring adapters from Crutchfield. I also ordered some of Modern Performance's door panel repair kits because my driver's side panel was coming apart. I was originally going to pay a shop to install the speakers, but I looked into it and realized I'd be wasting money. How can I do a solo engine swap, but not be willing to do a simple speaker install?

Here's the door with the panel off.



New vs. old



Super handy wiring adapter.



Here's the new MPx bracket. These are super beefy compared to the flimsy OEM piece. Overpriced in my opinion, but I had a voucher for $25 and only paid for one, so whatever. No more flimsy panels.



All the new stuff installed.



They sound so much better. No more rattling. I can finally turn the base above the minimum setting and enjoy the music. The MPx brackets made the panels kind of a bitch to put back on, but they're solid.
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2002 base -> 2005 SRT ACR -> 1996 sedan -> 1999 R/T coupe -> 2002 R/T

Project Log: http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=70076



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