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Post: #1   PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:37 pm    Post subject: Quick Gains Question Reply with quote

05 SXT

What kind of gains are you looking at for an UDP, magnum head, CAI, exhaust headers, and a tune?

I'm talking at the Crank, Just an estimate.
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Post: #2   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 4:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "tune" is going to be your issue, mostly.

Just bolting that stuff on, hardly noticeable. Maybe 5-7HP?

Going MS or some sort of standalone lets you do way more, even before bolting those on.
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Post: #3   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I heard http://www.neonecutuning.com/ had a tune coming soon for the 05. And is using the standalone or MS getting rid of the NGC, or is it just going to help out a little bit?
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Post: #4   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

he hasnt even started on 03-05 neons yet so you might be waiting a while.
and yes MS replaces NGC (stock ecu)
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Post: #5   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So with a standalone I would get more out of my mods, or would I just start with a better base?

Instead 5-7 hp would I be getting 12-15 or so? (just an example).
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Post: #6   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a hard time believing that the tune counts for so much, and a ported magnum head, cam, and headers do so little on their own.

But then again, that's why I am selling my freshly Stage 1 ported Magnum head and Crane 12 cam and Crane 12 cam and Crane springs. If I do all the work to bolt it on and only gain 5 hp on the dragstrip because the ATX and NGC tune are holding it back, my head will explode as I sit there on the return road at the dragstrip and stare in disbelief at my timeslip.

Chrysler shouldn't have used such a weenie little 2.0 engine, they should have used the 2.4 instead, DOHC for an N/A stock Neon SXT.

Ok, I have a 5 SXT ATX with a pacesetter header and K&N air filter. What are the DYNO PROVEN gains from the 2.0 NCG calibration? And would I have to run high octane fuel?
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Post: #7   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doing the magnum top end swap will net about 20hp on an sbec 2.0 but the ngc (without an r/t tune) wont yield as much.

yes MS is a better base and will net you more gains with mods overall.
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Post: #8   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should just get a 35 hp nitrous kit and get more guaranteed gains. Or will the moronic NGC tune find a way to mess that up too?
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Nitrous would work since the computer can't regulate that
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Post: #10   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

timk225 wrote:
I have a hard time believing that the tune counts for so much, and a ported magnum head, cam, and headers do so little on their own.

But then again, that's why I am selling my freshly Stage 1 ported Magnum head and Crane 12 cam and Crane 12 cam and Crane springs. If I do all the work to bolt it on and only gain 5 hp on the dragstrip because the ATX and NGC tune are holding it back, my head will explode as I sit there on the return road at the dragstrip and stare in disbelief at my timeslip.

Chrysler shouldn't have used such a weenie little 2.0 engine, they should have used the 2.4 instead, DOHC for an N/A stock Neon SXT.

Ok, I have a 5 SXT ATX with a pacesetter header and K&N air filter. What are the DYNO PROVEN gains from the 2.0 NCG calibration? And would I have to run high octane fuel?


The NGC and the 2.0 isn't the problem. The automatic is your problem. My 05 sxt mtx went 16.3 with me sucking at driving in 2006 mostly stock. Frank (racer12306) went 16.1's. unsuperman went 15.5's with a long tube and gutted before he went turbo but he had to keep resetting his ECU to replicate the results. The wimpy little 2.0 in my 1gn went 15.39 with a header and no rear seats. These are all 2.0/3.55 cars.

Nitrous will wake your car up, give it a shot.

Also, stop hijacking everyone else's thread to complain about how slow your automatic is.

ShanesNGC wrote:
05 SXT

What kind of gains are you looking at for an UDP, magnum head, CAI, exhaust headers, and a tune?

I'm talking at the Crank, Just an estimate.


Jerome Adams had good gains doing all that to his SXT, I forget the number but be made a build thread here.

http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=30852&highlight=
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Jerome Adams had good gains doing all that to his SXT, I forget the number but be made a build thread here.

http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=30852&highlight=


Thanks this is what I'm looknig for. Trying to weigh my options, I have 2 grand to play with and Idk whether to ditch the SXT and get an srt or just work on building this, whether it be turbo or N/A. I would rather keep this 2.0 as it's cheaper on insurance, easier to drive (ATX).. and less of a hassle to sell and not have a car until I got one. Appreciate the on-topic response.
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ShanesNGC wrote:
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Jerome Adams had good gains doing all that to his SXT, I forget the number but be made a build thread here.

http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=30852&highlight=


Thanks this is what I'm looknig for. Trying to weigh my options, I have 2 grand to play with and Idk whether to ditch the SXT and get an srt or just work on building this, whether it be turbo or N/A. I would rather keep this 2.0 as it's cheaper on insurance, easier to drive (ATX).. and less of a hassle to sell and not have a car until I got one. Appreciate the on-topic response.


The automatic will be a hassle, since you have a 4-speed, but lambostealth on here quite a few years ago put a hahn kit on his atx ngc and had a good time with it.

If I were you, I'd look into a 5-speed swap at the minimum, and either an SRT swap, or turbo. N/A will be a hard road, and you will need a standalone, or wait until Syked Tuning makes a good NGC ECU. N/A with an automatic will not be a fun ride.
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Post: #13   PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MTX swap it!

Best mod for an automatic neon
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Haganracing wrote:
MTX swap it!

Best mod for an automatic neon


I would like to, But I'm not mechanically inclined. I have a friend who could, but he and I aren't sure on how long it would take.. and I can't go without it for too long as it's my DD.
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If you have all the parts there and ready to install it should only take a weekend
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ShanesNGC wrote:
Haganracing wrote:
MTX swap it!

Best mod for an automatic neon


I would like to, But I'm not mechanically inclined. I have a friend who could, but he and I aren't sure on how long it would take.. and I can't go without it for too long as it's my DD.


Hagan and neonslg09 both did 5 speed swaps over a weekend (at the same house none the less). The hardest part was getting little things from parts stores and then figuring out how to trick the neutral safety switch on the trans to make the car start.
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