MPx 60MM Throttle Body ***Large Pictures*** DYNO Results!

Post by **Diablo0** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:32 pm

Received it today in the mail and it was installed ASAP!!!!

First let’s talk about the build quality of the product... its FANTASTIC!!! Everything is perfectly made; I can't find a flaw in it. All the bolt holes line up perfectly. The IAC and TPS bolt up great as if the TB was a stock item. The guides for the throttle cable and cruise control don't rub the cables so there is no worry about a cable slipping off or wearing. Basically, everything about this TB is awesome, when I opened the box it was amazed at the quality and just kept look it over to see if there is anything to improve but so far haven't seen anything.

Now let’s talk about the install... The install is very strait forward, and just to make sure everyone is aware, this will not work with your stock airbox. Install time took no less then 45min mainly due to some problems I was having getting my intake tube out. With the install I was NOT REQUIRED to cut or grind anything down to make fit so everything bolts right up with no problems. Also... it does fit the AEM intake, you just have to use some elbow grease to get the fittings over the TB, but it is possible, just takes some umpf

After install test drive impressions... lets just say there is a big difference...a BIG difference. The throttle sensitivity is unreal, from a stop if I give it just the slightest bit of gas I get thrown into the seat and I find myself spinning my tires every time at a stop. Going around corners it's has so much more power coming out of the turn it's great, no more bogging down, you just give it a little big of gas and you're off. There is still a whistle from the intake like you have with the stock TB but it doesn't bother me in the least. Secondaries seem a bit louder but there isn't a huge difference in sound. It does pull much faster to redline that’s for sure.

It's definitely a MUST HAVE mod that you will notice a big difference with.

Now everyone is going to say... numbers... gotta see numbers... blah blah blah.. on October 24th I have made plans to have my car dyno'd and at that time I have requested to be able to test each TB to see what the gains are and as of right now they are fine with me doing that. So within this month expect to see dyno results if all goes well.

Update: Dyno Results... http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?p=22844#22844

Now onto the pictures....

Before..

After...

Kernel Panic · Post by **Kernel Panic** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:46 am

Looks great! From what you describe is pretty much the same effect that I had with my LFS TB. The cable seems to be a bit beefer than the LFS TB. But that polish job is definitely blinging..

Post by **Diablo0** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 6:27 pm

Update: On the first test drive I mistakenly had Traction Control on. With the Traction Control on I did still spin tires but obviously the system kicked in very fast and stopped the spinning. Today I went out for another drive and this time I truned the Traction control off, when I did that nearly every time I took off I spun tires enough to have to let off the gas because I would have spun right through first gear. Compared to my stock TB I could spin my tires but the engine would bogg down very fast and would result in me creeping through first gear.

Kevin_GP · Post by **Kevin_GP** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:13 pm

Awesome, that looks great, that will be my next mod within the next few months. Thanks for writing up a review.

Hypnoticcyclone · Post by **Hypnoticcyclone** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 4:09 pm

On the very last picture the thing with the bolts holding it to the top, is that the IAC? I have a 60mm TB and I need a new IAC I think but I got a new one for stock applications and it doesnt fit... Am I just a tard and looking at the wrong thing? I know where all the big things go in engines easy but sensors confuse me.

Or maybe that isnt even the problem.... Any suggestions?

P0508 Idle Control System Circuit Low Generic OBDII Code

Stonebender · Post by **Stonebender** » Tue Oct 12, 2004 11:13 pm

That thing is gorgeous. I will have one soon. In silver.

Post by **Diablo0** » Wed Oct 13, 2004 9:12 pm

Hypnoticcyclone wrote:On the very last picture the thing with the bolts holding it to the top, is that the IAC? I have a 60mm TB and I need a new IAC I think but I got a new one for stock applications and it doesnt fit... Am I just a tard and looking at the wrong thing? I know where all the big things go in engines easy but sensors confuse me.

Or maybe that isnt even the problem.... Any suggestions?

P0508 Idle Control System Circuit Low Generic OBDII Code

Yup, that would be the IAC

Not sure about your code though sorry

italrt · Post by **italrt** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:29 pm

Diablo0 wrote:
Hypnoticcyclone wrote:On the very last picture the thing with the bolts holding it to the top, is that the IAC? I have a 60mm TB and I need a new IAC I think but I got a new one for stock applications and it doesnt fit... Am I just a tard and looking at the wrong thing? I know where all the big things go in engines easy but sensors confuse me.

Or maybe that isnt even the problem.... Any suggestions?

P0508 Idle Control System Circuit Low Generic OBDII Code
Yup, that would be the IAC

Not sure about your code though sorry

lorenzo's 60mm TB threw a code on 03+ neons as well (if that's what you're driving)... ask dvgRT... I don't think he or Lorenzo could ever figure out what was the problem.

On another note, these new TBs look sweet and by the sounds of it perform great too. I've had Lorenzo's on since June and noticed the same effects that Jason described above. Whichever one you go for you won't regret it -- 2 great pieces by 2 great manufacturers.

Hats off to both Modern and Lorenzo for providing us with great neon products and service.

Post by **Diablo0** » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:37 pm

Hypnoticcyclone, I'm assuming you have the Lorenzo TB but just to make sure, do you have the Modern or Lorenzo TB? Just curious to know if the Modern TB is showing the same CEL issue the Lorenzo TB is showing.

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 1:47 pm

Great, now I have to decide

Is the mpx truly 60mm?

Post by **Diablo0** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:47 pm

I didn't physically measure it since I was to excited and wanted to get it installed... I'm going to the dyno this weekend so maybe if I have some time I'll take a quick measurement unless you just want to PM cory on the ORG or SRTforums (modernceo)

grindpunk16 · Post by **grindpunk16** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:22 pm

cory said that they recieved no codes on the non magnum car. but when i asked him about the magnum car he never responded to me (03+)

Hypnoticcyclone · Post by **Hypnoticcyclone** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 9:12 pm

I have a 2002 neon. I dont know what the problem is though. I just realized I have a B.M. I guess Throttle Body. Bought it used friends doesnt remember the brand. On the side in big letters it says B.M.

My computer is messin up and wont let me load my pictures from the DigiCam. I took off the IAC AGAIN and still dont see how the IAC sensor I have can fit where it is suppose to go.

Just to make sure once again the IAC is the silver thing on top of the throttle body not the little black thing on the side right? The Sensor I have looks nothing like either of those anyways.

lethalp1mp · Post by **lethalp1mp** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:24 am

That's the Lorenzo TB. You can see pics here: http://www.lfsracing.com/tbpics.html

The black sensor on the side is the Throttle Position Sensor (TPS), the silver one on top is the Idle Air Controller (IAC). If yours does not look like the pics above, you may have the 2000 IAC, which reqires an adapter for the Lorenzo TB.

Hypnoticcyclone · Post by **Hypnoticcyclone** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:58 pm

Thats what I thought my sensor still looks nothing like that. Im looking for pictures of sensors so I can see if the guy gave me the right one. Cant find them at the moment still looking.

iregret · Post by **iregret** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 4:25 pm

How would this work with a CF turbo setup? Still worth the investment? Sorry for bringing this back from the dead...

Post by **Diablo0** » Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:43 pm

It'll work the same as the stock TB but better, I'd say it's deffentially worth the investment since it'll get rid of a decent size bottle neck in the intake system.

LCPLPunk · Post by **LCPLPunk** » Sun May 15, 2005 9:51 pm

I thought 60mm TB's were supposed to be too big for 2k's?

From what i've read i thought 55-58mm was a good size to get?

fusion210 · Post by **fusion210** » Mon May 16, 2005 3:08 am

LCPLPunk wrote:I thought 60mm TB's were supposed to be too big for 2k's?

From what i've read i thought 55-58mm was a good size to get?

The bigger the better until you run into drivability issues.
There is some figures on numbers that are 'good enough' but that doesn't mean you can't go bigger for a little gain.

05srt4clone · Post by **05srt4clone** » Mon May 16, 2005 4:07 am

Hey diablo is your car a stick or auto?

Post by **Diablo0** » Mon May 16, 2005 5:42 am

It's and R/T so it HAS to be stick (MTX) since R/Ts only came in MTX

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Mon May 16, 2005 6:46 am

hey how comes you have two throttle cables??!?! i only have one on my mpx

tamadrumr88 · Post by **tamadrumr88** » Mon May 16, 2005 3:50 pm

the one closer to the t/b is cruise control. if you dont have that you only use the outter cable thing which is ofcourse the throttle

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed May 18, 2005 6:37 am

Baal · Post by **Baal** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:15 pm

how about idle? apparently it has very different passages to idle than the stock TB

Post by **Diablo0** » Wed May 18, 2005 7:38 pm

Car idles exactly the same as it did with the stock TB.

Sean R/T · Post by **Sean R/T** » Wed May 18, 2005 8:51 pm

Diablo0 wrote:.. on October 24th I have made plans to have my car dyno'd and at that time I have requested to be able to test each TB to see what the gains are and as of right now they are fine with me doing that. So within this month expect to see dyno results if all goes well.

Did you ever end up dynoing the car?

Post by **Diablo0** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:05 pm

Was afraid someone was going to see that

... I did dyno my car but b/c the silicon couplers are on VERY tight (if you have an MPx TB and an AEM intake, you can relate) and was unable to swap the TB back to stock. This weekend actually I will be going back up for another dyno day and with any luck if everyone isn't fighting for timeI hope to be able to finally swap the TB and get some dyno results. I have bought extra couplers since then so I shouldn't run into any issues... if... everyone gives me 5min to swap the TB over.

We'll see, if I get it dyno'd I'll be absolutely sure to post up the results!

05srt4clone · Post by **05srt4clone** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:06 pm

Git-R-Done!

Sean R/T · Post by **Sean R/T** » Wed May 18, 2005 9:28 pm

Diablo0 wrote:I did dyno my car

Well what numbers did you get?

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