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by atzottola
Wed Feb 25, 2015 5:16 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I will plug both in, it is there so no reason not to. I won't get to work on it tonight or tomorrow anyway. Will give me some more time to think about it. I may just let the Stratus junk hang over the fender, hook a battery up and try everything before I start chopping. If I can get it to fire, ever...
by atzottola
Wed Feb 25, 2015 10:26 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

So, just to be sure we are on the same page. Use the Stratus wiring, underhood fuse block and PCM. Throw power to it, or the fuse block from a toggle switch, another for fuel pump and use another for Engine start. I have mechanical gauge for water temp. Not worried about speedo and other stuff. May ...
by atzottola
Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:41 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

gray and black plugs do plug into each other from the different cars but there are not any matching colors. I can easily trace them out to the TPS, Coil,etc. Not sure if this helps my cause if the Neon ECM won't run the car. The garage is warmed up and I'm still not sure what to do. One thing is, I ...
by atzottola
Tue Feb 24, 2015 6:18 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

Are you saying to swap all the stratus wiring from the firewall out? The Stratus had 2 ECM units under the hood plus the fuse block. I could do that, it would be about 30 or 40 wires. The engine harness would then be the one from the Stratus. I guess I'm a little confused. Can I assume that we are n...
by atzottola
Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:16 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

What is NGC? Not that it matters now. Knowing this, I guess I need to try and figure out which wires I have to power in the old wiring harness. Like I said, I yanked the whole thing from inside the firewall out. I have the computers, fuse panel under the hood and all. The only thing that would seem ...
by atzottola
Mon Feb 23, 2015 9:03 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I'm struggling. I'm at the wiring part of the swap (what I feared most). If I use the Neon computer and wiring, and just splice in the engine harness plugs, etc. Will it run? Remember the engine is from 1998 1st gen Stratus with an automatic trans. The Neon is a 2003 with a standard trans. I cut the...
by atzottola
Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:26 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

With the lower torque strut brace cut back, there is 3/4"-1" clearance with the engine in the stock location. Of course, you must brace the lower portion of the engine. Mine will be solid mounted with new cross members. Engine can be lowered in from the top if you tilt the front of the engine down w...
by atzottola
Sun Feb 01, 2015 8:56 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

Darn, thought I could just hook my camera up to it like I do with email and attach it. Just trying to document what I'm doing in case someone else wants to do a similar swap without looking for $100's of used parts.
by atzottola
Sun Feb 01, 2015 7:03 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

Let's "pretend" I don't know how to do that.
I see Mr. One World pasted a picture about 4 posts back. How do I do that? I'm not very good with computers. Can you tell?
by atzottola
Sun Feb 01, 2015 1:50 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

Neon lower torque arm mount trimmed back and Stratus oil pan and filter clearance picture.
I have the engine where the old one was. the top of the engine needs rolled towards the firewall. Just wanted to show how much clearance there is with the torque arm mount trimmed. How do I do it?
by atzottola
Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:02 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

you won't change the metalurgy of the steel when heated, but you will change the temper. I use a brazing torch with a small tip. It only heats the nut.
by atzottola
Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:40 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I'm going to try and use the stock Stratus oil pan and filter. Looks like the oil filter may hit the lower a arm mount extension on the K member. Was thinking of trimming that down, connectin to the unibody above and using it for a solid rear motor mount to the old power steering pump bracket or str...
by atzottola
Wed Jan 28, 2015 7:27 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I agree, each case has to be looked at differently. I've heated a hundred exhaust manifold nuts and reused them. If it was a wheel nut, I'd replace the stud and nut. I started to read a lot about fasteners a bunch of years ago. The more I read the more freaked out I got. The way engineers talk, you ...
by atzottola
Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:48 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

The old "heat wrench" works every time. May weaken the nut though. My Harbour freight 1" drive socket set with a 3' pipe did the trick. Still had to jump a few times to get it to crack. They must have had loctite on them. With everything stripped out, looks like the engine/trans may just barely fit ...
by atzottola
Mon Jan 26, 2015 10:32 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I had a 2' crowbar between the studs. The bar was bowing as I jumped on the breaker bar. No way a screw driver would have held up to that. I have a 1" Harbour freight socket set, just didn't have it at my house. I'll need a 2' pipe on that to break it loose. It really is locked on that tight.
by atzottola
Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:46 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

May be a while, I have 2 projects going at once. I was hoping to just use everything from the Stratus to run the engine. Haven't done the math yet but I don't think I'll have to rev past 6k going 85 in 3rd gear. I'll try the Neon PCM once it is running again if I think I need to rev higher. Just abo...
by atzottola
Sun Jan 25, 2015 4:55 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I'll be making it up as I go along, I'm pretty good at figuring out better ways to do things. I'm hoping I can work it so the whole mess can come out the top when I'm done. I'll try and take pics as I go along. The biggest stumbling block I have is computers. Whether in a car or on my lap. I'll have...
by atzottola
Thu Jan 22, 2015 7:31 am
Forum: General 2nd Gen Discussion
Topic: power steering elimination
Replies: 6
Views: 480

Oil was pumped out before I got it. I'll try and get some oil in the rack before I loop it closed.
by atzottola
Wed Jan 21, 2015 7:45 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

What do you think about mounting the engine and trans solid? I'm a fabricator so this is not a problem. Just worried the vibration may rattle the unibody loose. It's a track car so I'm not worried about comfort. Just want to make a front and rear engine plate to make removal easier.
by atzottola
Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:59 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

just ordered the DOHC Neon intake on EBAY. It doesn't come with the fuel rail. Will my Stratus rail fit? I know the SOHC will not.
by atzottola
Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:25 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

Thanks a bunch, I'll be pulling the Startus engine today. I'm sure it will be at least a week before I get parts to put it in the Neon. I may bolt it in as best I can and worry about the particulars later. Looks like I can use the front Stratu mount to hold the engine up if I cut it to fit around th...
by atzottola
Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:00 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I would like the cluster to work, but if it runs fine without it, I'm not going to worry about it. I can always get some cheapy gauges to moniter oil pressure and temp. When it quits revving I'll know I'm at redline. Will the OBDII work without the cluster in case something goes wrong I can diagnose...
by atzottola
Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:14 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

why can't I use the wiring/ECU from the Stratus? Is it just the rev limit? Occasional demon wrote in a previous post that the wiring colors should be the same. I was just going to splice them into the Neon body wiring. Seemed like the easiest/ cheapest route. Going to be an asphalt car. 1/2 mile. Pr...
by atzottola
Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:57 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

I may try to merge the 2 manifolds just for giggles. I have a fab shop but not a machine shop. If both manifolds are aluminum, I'm in the clear.. The 03 Neon looks like plastic. Haven't opened the hood for awhile.
by atzottola
Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:30 am
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

The Stratus and the Neon are in the driveway, so I guess I'll have to look for PT parts. Don't think NASCAR will let me cut a hole in the hood so I'll need a DOHC IM from Neon. Can I use the Stratus wiring harness and PCM and run it off toggle switches or is it much easier to just use the key in the...
by atzottola
Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:33 pm
Forum: Motor Swap
Topic: 2.4 swap
Replies: 53
Views: 3581

2.4 swap

Swapping a 1998 2.4 Stratus motor to a 5 spd.2003 Neon. Almost too much information. What is needed to get this in basic running form. I am building a track car. No power steering, A/C, just an alternator. Don't care what it looks like, just want it to fit and run. Here is a list of what I think I n...
by atzottola
Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:42 pm
Forum: General 2nd Gen Discussion
Topic: power steering elimination
Replies: 6
Views: 480

actually bought it because it was supposed to be a 2.4. I was going to swap it in the Neon. Had a towing co pick it up and bring it to my shop. Surprise! It had a 2.5 V6. Threw that $400 away. I want to watch that one get smashed at the crusher.. Lesson learned. Don't trust people.
by atzottola
Thu Nov 13, 2014 11:27 am
Forum: General 2nd Gen Discussion
Topic: power steering elimination
Replies: 6
Views: 480

That's kinda what I thought. Got the car for cheap and they already took the pump off.
I have one on a 98 Stratus (if it's the same), The car has been sitting for 5 years (only has 68k on it). I'd give it to you if you wanted to come to Pittsburgh and take it off. It's just going to the scrap yard.
by atzottola
Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:19 am
Forum: General 2nd Gen Discussion
Topic: power steering elimination
Replies: 6
Views: 480

power steering elimination

Hi I have a 2003 Neon that I want to eliminate the power steering to free up a few extra ponies and lose weight. This will be a 1/2 mile paved oval race car only. After I take the pump off, I want to join the hoses together at the rack to keep dirt out of the system. Would I have to put as much oil ...

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