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Call down guys... no need for name calling!

first orange asshole watch your fukin mouth your bringing the other org over here when you posted you where here that you got flamed left and right now you come here and flame other people..why the fuck do you care that someone puts an ebay CAI on there car?!its theres not yours.. did you buy it for them do you make the payments?....thats what i thought a car is private property which means if i wanted to i could drive it off a cliff while having midget sex i could.... why the fuck do you care that someone "rices" out there car which by the way is used waayy to far in that context rice is when someone thinks there car is fast becuase i put this wing on it..and post a video of you walking up to a 1st place sema event and tell the guy a ricer in his face ok!?..comon im sure you know that the AEM rubs on the fender well?..well guess what mine doesnt..yes its ebay i compared it with a friend who lives down the street with the AEM..you know the diffrence.... his said AEM was Adonized Blue and he did not have to go to the store for a K&N filter...other than that the price diffrence mine was 25shipped +35filter equals 60dollar CAI
2months later he has to weld a piece of aluminum on it becuase there is now a hole in it from rubbing... either that or buy a cheap ass intake that a meth head made..that does not rub a hole into the intake and has performend flawlessly.....btw your talking about how they put soo much effort into dynoing and so forth... doesnt it come across your small pea brain that someone could buy the AEM and then maybe COPY it...WOW thats such a new concept...btw i woudnt use ebay coilovers or UDP or alot of other "ebay" parts.... /BTW what brandname made your "Carbon fiber pedals"...are they real carbon fiber? could we see pics of them?

E\*edit* sorry diablo...lol

wow ... this is ... amazing

i really don't even know how to reply to this as it made me feel a number of different ways

and tyou know what? - i'm not going to perpetuate a flame war here

all i know is i have a good job (as we were told to get) and i still prefer to save a couple of bucks on things (like a C.A.I. - it still pulls more cold air than my stock air box did) so that i can afford the more expensive (and name brand) parts that will make far more of a difference than a damn C.A.I.

other than that all i have to say is i now have three new heroes:

linkinevo
dblsg
dinetuner

- Tony

dinetuner and orangeblastsxt... settle down, if ya don't I'll take more action. Consider this the warning!

^^^
As he said
This topic was NOT realted to cheap parts at all!!! This guy wanted to know if the K&N CAI was worth the money. Honestly, if you have the $$$ then yeah it is, and so is the Iceman, Ebay CAI, DIY CAI...
Heck, im using an Autozone special for a honda, and modded it to work on my neon. A TRUE performance oriented auto enthusiest KNOWS how to make things work for more power. I guarantee that ANYONE here who bought the EBAY intake checked it over for burrs, flaws...etc before mounting it on there cars. If they did not, then what you said is true, those are the ricers.
I'll be damned if I bought something for my car and just bolted it on without any type of inspection first. A CAI is designed to do 1 job, get cold air into the engine, wether its drier hose or a $300 intake, as long as it works then so be it.
There is no need to start bashing ANYONE for buying cheap ebay parts. The oil seperator I have on my PCV system works PERFECT! no more oil in the intake, and I paid $25 shipped from ebay for it and it looks like any other $100+ setup. Did I bolt it on and go, NO. I completely dissembled it, inspected it, stripped the paint off...polished it, then installed it with better hoses and clamps.
Are you going to mock me also for it? its an Ebay special with no names on the product...
I installed an Ebay SRT4 shifter and cut it in half to have a short shift setup...it works the same to me as any other short shift...is that also bad in your eyes?
Orange, you got to chill out...
We are here to help, not bust people's ass's because they bought a cheap ebay part. Some of us treat our cars better than our wive's, but because we dont install a name brand part does not mean we dont respect our cars. My wife had a fit the other day because I was washing my engine, and adding a protectant to the rubber and plastic lines under the hood.
I respect MY car, I WILL by a cheap ebay part to save money for other parts. But I WILL NOT just throw the part on my car without proper inspection and fitment.

BlackRoseRacing wrote:^^^
As he said
This topic was NOT realted to cheap parts at all!!! This guy wanted to know if the K&N CAI was worth the money. Honestly, if you have the $$$ then yeah it is, and so is the Iceman, Ebay CAI, DIY CAI...
Heck, im using an Autozone special for a honda, and modded it to work on my neon. A TRUE performance oriented auto enthusiest KNOWS how to make things work for more power. I guarantee that ANYONE here who bought the EBAY intake checked it over for burrs, flaws...etc before mounting it on there cars. If they did not, then what you said is true, those are the ricers.
I'll be damned if I bought something for my car and just bolted it on without any type of inspection first. A CAI is designed to do 1 job, get cold air into the engine, wether its drier hose or a $300 intake, as long as it works then so be it.
There is no need to start bashing ANYONE for buying cheap ebay parts. The oil seperator I have on my PCV system works PERFECT! no more oil in the intake, and I paid $25 shipped from ebay for it and it looks like any other $100+ setup. Did I bolt it on and go, NO. I completely dissembled it, inspected it, stripped the paint off...polished it, then installed it with better hoses and clamps.
Are you going to mock me also for it? its an Ebay special with no names on the product...
I installed an Ebay SRT4 shifter and cut it in half to have a short shift setup...it works the same to me as any other short shift...is that also bad in your eyes?
Orange, you got to chill out...
We are here to help, not bust people's ass's because they bought a cheap ebay part. Some of us treat our cars better than our wive's, but because we dont install a name brand part does not mean we dont respect our cars. My wife had a fit the other day because I was washing my engine, and adding a protectant to the rubber and plastic lines under the hood.
I respect MY car, I WILL by a cheap ebay part to save money for other parts. But I WILL NOT just throw the part on my car without proper inspection and fitment.

AMEN!

Diablo0 = My hero!

hahahah

Orange settle yourself man... My argument is on CAI alone... I know that there are a number of shamm parts for cars on ebay... My arugment stands though that there is very little science that goes it to most CAI design. Like Dine said, My aem rubs, it did start to rub away at the pipe, I had to pad it so that it wouldnt rub... If hours of scientific CAD design went into the construction of that intake, it shouldnt rub or foghorn... But it does. These are my vaild facts. No slams no disses and no swears needed...

Oh and the posts above reminded me that my short throw is a noname ebay brand too... Along with my Udp... They both work great to!

I hope you guys understand that i wasnt dissing or talking down to anyone here......In my arguement I was merely stateing my opinion.......I do know that CAI's are made specific for each car......K&N wouldnt have had my car at there facility for 2 Months to make the Typhoon if there wasnt R&D involved....I went with the guy that owned the car previous to me to stop by and check his car out at K&N.......everything is computer designed with all these differ comp systems that take the dyno results and little sensors that read the air flow and all this stuff to maximize airflow.........Just the same as headers and exhaust......When made by professionals it flows how it should but when made by unprofessionals without R&D it can actually hurt your car......Exhaust......( crush bent versus mandrel).....intake Mandrel with R&D versus Dryer tubing and a filter.....

Oh and by the way.....

My AEM DOES NOT rub on anything....it fits perfectly fine....No rub.....No foghorn....Maybe I just got lucky.......or maybe I put it on correctly

No one will ever know

^^^
But your setup can be different from mine. My point was, do not dis anyone for trying. I personally offered to try variuos setups wether it was a bolt on or needed some minor tuning. I asked for some donations, and I was laughed at.
Its not who or where you get your parts from, its a matter of if it actually works or not.
enough said......

22stars wrote:other than that all i have to say is i now have three new heroes:

linkinevo
dblsg
dinetuner

- Tony

Bro, even in this topic, you have no idea how much that means to me. Thanks.

Moving on. I personnaly LOVE my Neon, yes its a cheap car, but I take very good care of it, I might be somewhat forgetful, but I still love it. However, it is NOT my number one priority, my family and friends come first. Before I got the SRT exhaust, I was a HUGE anti-SRT exhaust person, but being able to get the exhaust ($50) and still get birthday presents made it worth it. Am I proud of my E-Bay intake? Hell no, and if it weren't Mike's I wouldn't have bought it. But I got an awsome deal on the intake and the motor mounts, and (to my knoweldge) I helped out a fellow 2GN member instead of some dip-shit on EBay.

Thirdly, I am going to start making my own custom designed intakes. Guess what my design resembles? The K&N. Why? Because I belive it has the least chance of sucking in water, and with the right sheilding, can get just as cold of air as the AEM. Plus with mine the filter will be right behind the headlight, perfect for drag racing, take the headlight out and you get a "ram-air".

linkinevo wrote:

22stars wrote:other than that all i have to say is i now have three new heroes:

linkinevo
dblsg
dinetuner

- Tony

Bro, even in this topic, you have no idea how much that means to me. Thanks.

Moving on. I personnaly LOVE my Neon, yes its a cheap car, but I take very good care of it, I might be somewhat forgetful, but I still love it. However, it is NOT my number one priority, my family and friends come first. Before I got the SRT exhaust, I was a HUGE anti-SRT exhaust person, but being able to get the exhaust ($50) and still get birthday presents made it worth it. Am I proud of my E-Bay intake? Hell no, and if it weren't Mike's I wouldn't have bought it. But I got an awsome deal on the intake and the motor mounts, and (to my knoweldge) I helped out a fellow 2GN member instead of some dip-shit on EBay.

Thirdly, I am going to start making my own custom designed intakes. Guess what my design resembles? The K&N. Why? Because I belive it has the least chance of sucking in water, and with the right sheilding, can get just as cold of air as the AEM. Plus with mine the filter will be right behind the headlight, perfect for drag racing, take the headlight out and you get a "ram-air".

I hope you succeed in all of your endevours

As for me.....Yeah it is cool to help out fellow members.....I would rather give someone 50 bucks than buy something cheap and weak off them....For parts hell I waited 4 months of saving to get my AEM.....but I know it is quality and if anything ever happened I would just take it down to AEM R&D center and let them know what is up....

I have a 6 months old son and a wife and plenty of bills but that dosent stop me from getting what I want for my car......So what if I have to wait 8 months to get my throttle body and exhaust....When you get those parts you feel hella stoked cuz they are good parts.....Tested and proven.......It is all a matter of wants and needs.......You dont need a CAI but you want one so what I do is just put a little money away here and there until I get what I really want and not something that can hold me over until I get exactly what I want because in the long run it is just wasting money IMO.....There is always something better out there then what you have but if you get something that you know is really good and will last for a long time then it kinda sets my mind at ease and I can start focusing on the next part I would like to enhance..........

its all good wisher.... we understand you. my only problem is that orange started dissing people here... and thats not cool. if you want to dish out the extra bucks on a neme brand, thats all good (look at my sig orange), but don't say that people don't have respect for themselves...... after all, its just a neon.

"after all, its just a neon"

^quote of the century right there...i know people tell me that in the midst of fights for some reason

I dont care if it is just a Neon......I give every car that I own the best treatment that I can possibly give it......I dont care about the name brand I care about the customer support and that they catually use these parts on the professional cars.........I dont see any professional drag cars or auto xer's with e-bay inductions and home made headers.....everything is professionaly built using R&D and then track tested before it goes into production.....But thank you guys for understanding the point I was trying to get across.......

sorry diabl0 i got stoked and you posted while i was chicken pecking my way around the keyboard... and yes 22stars that did make me feel better..w00t 1+ for us ebay CAI peepz..lol

i plan on buying the ebay CAI, why? because im poor, my birthday is coming up, and im expecting maybe a grand total of 60 bucks from everyone. just enough to buy an ebay CAI, and get a new filter. later on, i can buy an AEM stiker, and put it on the CAI, nobody will be the wiser
Money is hard to come by in my family, so, it would literaly take me about 2 years or longer to save up 200 bux, which i would much rather use to do a mtx swap.

just my other $0.02

oh, dinetuner, linkinevo, and dblsg, u are all my crazy H3R0's too

.I dont see any professional drag cars or auto xer's with e-bay inductions and home made headers

Whats wrong with homeade headers, I mean if they work they work right? They arent gonna put anything in ur engine. Maybe Im mission something here but some people can be quite inventive. But im quite confused why this all started in the first place. We are all here for the same reason and that is because we all own neons. Some of us change the oil every 2000 miles others change it at 20000 miles but either way we love our cars and there is no reason for anyone to be fighting like this. I mean shyt i made my intake out of pvc, it didnt work the way i wanted it to so i bought a iceman. What did i learn from this, not to make any more intakes from pvc lol. Come on people weather the ebay intakes are good of not doesnt really matter. For the most part an intake only gives the driver a peace of mind anyway. But i gotta agree with dblsg and dine tuner on this one. Its my money i will buy what i want to.

PS - We are not communist...

guys guys, back on topic here let me try to devil advocate this shit you have going... you're both sorta right! happy ?

as far as intakes go, you can put all the greatest engineering minds together for a project, but how good a product they put out will ultimately ALWAYS be limited by the space under the hood. for the majority of cars, especially those with big engines, there simply isnt that much room to screw around with from the beginning, and if there is room, you can basically only route the intake one way. if you know anyone with a last gen acura legend, they've been trying to make a simple CAI for that thing for years.

when there is room to play, the design of the intake will come into play because in the end these companies are out to make money, and they know people have easy access to dynoes and can spread the info on the net quite easily and completely tank a product. so what sells? loooks and power. what will affect the power gains? location from where the air is drawn, length of tube (throttle response), how much of the pipe is exposed to hot engine temps, how well the material will disipate heat and of course the dyameter of the tube. IMO, the location from where you get the air and the inside diammeter of the tubing are the only real areas where your design can give you significant gains over another. if you have room to play with, you can do simple calculations and find out how much air the engine is really using and calculate the dyammeter of the piping to maximize air speed and throttle response... more importantly, if there are bends, you can widen or shrink the inside dyammeter of the tubing in specific areas to increase flow around those choke points and i have remember that from the first gen iceman tubing around the tb neck, vs cheaper designs that just had a mandrel bend.

so which of these ideas can be applied to the 2gn neon? well, the intake isnt anywhere close to direct engine heat and it has plenty of cold air hitting it from the front of the engine so materials shouldnt be a consideration unless you live in hot climates. second, all designs are basically the same, with air being sucked from the fender and basically no major bends to worry about. so what is left to set the intakes appart? well, one might come with some sort of splash guard for the filter, but other than looks and material quality and build, what can they really do? there is no possible better design for our cars, considering the fender will always give you cold air while keeping all the elements away from the filter. where is there room to improve on that other than to suck air directly from the headlight or the foglight like race cars, for that extra bit of coldness. the only other real possible power gain may come from the smooth piping of aftermarket intakes vs the rivetted tubes that we have from the tb to the manifold. but it makes you wonder, why dodge would overlook that when they already designed such a good system? maybe they specifically wanted that extra turbulance from after the tb to help get an efficient mixture. they could have just as easily put the tb on the manifold and put a straight tube from it to where the stock airbox is.

imo, this is one of the few times that ebay stuff can work as well as brand stuff, simply because you cant design it wrong, and there is no room for improvement on the design other than popping out your foglight and sucking from there. but if you're gonna do that, save yourself the money and run a tube from the foglight to the stock box. that thing is just as over engineered as the rest of the intake...it's deep, has a built in drain, and plenty water and dirt traps for that crap to sette on if it ever makes it that far. i swapped headlight bulbs today and i pulled the filter off to see realistically how much dirt and stuff got sucked in after 5 months of everyday driving. the filter is quite dusty i admit, but other than a little bit of sand less than the size of a dime, and a qurater of a leaf, the box was spotless... no splash marks or anything, even in the inside of the tubing up where it goes into the airbox, so no water ever made it that far. so considering i've driven through rain and slush in high speed traffic with no water getting in i dont think there is anything to worry about. any small water vapours will get trapped in the oil in the filter or evaporate from the heat of the engine. i know that this is not an option for some since you may not want to clean your filter more often or simly like your foglights or not have any... i'm not gonna suggest either of the other two options (ebay or namebrand) since hopefully you can make your own decision from what i said earlier

first off, i never said anything about 'ricers' in my post so i have NO idea where that came from. i just re read my post and im still 100% behind what i said. the first couple posts might have been a bit mean, and i apologize for any disrespect to ebay guys. I never meant to get people angry; i was just trying to pass on information that i know about knock off parts, and a few opinions on them as well. honestly, if you love your car and you do your research, its all good.

Ive been hearing about ebay this and ebay that since I got my car and started talking to people about where to get parts. some people just really care about saving money, and i just dont get it. when it comes to a passion like tuning cars, a real enthusiast shouldnt settle for anything but the best. price isnt even the factor, OR the name brand. quality, reliability, and cust. service are whats important. my CAI was $200 shipped, and like i said before, its legal, under warranty, and performance proven. ive still never seen an ebay guy with one or any of those things.

again i apologize for hurting anyones feelings. i should have kept my opinions to myself, but the facts are still there.

orangeblastsxt wrote: again i apologize for hurting anyones feelings. i should have kept my opinions to myself, but the facts are still there.

i dont think "the facts are there", or with wisher2... i think the facts were in the other people's posts and what they're all saying is that like with everything in life, you have to use your judgement and the experience of others to understand an issue, before taking a strong position on it. i dont think any of the people that get stuff off ebay will come on here and defend ebay performance chips or electric turbo chargers. its easy to make assumptions and put everyone in the same basket


expensive != better

Wisher2 wrote:I dont see any professional drag cars or auto xer's with e-bay inductions and home made headers.....everything is professionaly built using R&D and then track tested before it goes into production

huh? most race cars dont use anything close to production intakes and shit...hell, most of the parts on a true race car a fabbed specifically for the specific application and the setup the owner went for. show me an aftermarket intake sucking air through a flex tube from the hood or from the headlight or some other weird place where it'll get as much direct exposure as possible...

companies in the end are out there to make money, they dont quantify their successes by how much your balls swell when you hit the gas... behind all the generic promisses they make like unlimited warranty, 100+ years of combined experience in our R&D department, or whatever their marketting department thought will suck you into their product, the bottom line for any serious company will still be that simple financial concept called THE TIME VALUE OF MONEY! read on it a bit if you havent taken finance or marketting in college...its great for your everyday knowledge

This topic isn't going anywhere and has gotten completely off the main topic.

It's just going around in circles... consider it locked.