0-60 octane booster?

reduceallpain · Post by **reduceallpain** » Tue May 09, 2006 12:44 pm

saw it in the store..says it increased octane up to 10 points... wondering if any1 has tried it and felt a difference or dynoed with it in the tank... taking my car to the 1/4 tomorrow and i wanna do anything in that time to get the time down a little

teamliviD · Post by **teamliviD** » Tue May 09, 2006 3:47 pm

its good if you want to foul your spark plugs and injectors!

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Tue May 09, 2006 4:40 pm

Yeah, probably a bad idea and not worth the money.

quicksilvr · Post by **quicksilvr** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:23 pm

If you posted this under forced induction because you ARE f/i, then it all depends on how much power you're trying to put down, and how prone to detonation that makes you. If you're pretty much stock, there is no point to octane booster. Higher octane simply allows you to make more power with hotter plugs, advanced timing, higher compression etc. Octane does not create power....it simply allows it.

skuttler · Post by **skuttler** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:33 pm

plus the "10 points" of octane that gives you is really 1 point. if you read on the bottle it says every "point" increases your octane rating by .1 or something like that. very misleading. so you could have 94 octane instead of 93 for like $3.95. not worth it.

OB · Post by OB » Tue May 09, 2006 5:44 pm

basically, all that stuff is not only a waste but can also damage your neon. older cars may benefit from fuel treatments and boosters, but it says specifically in the service manual (read this in it yesterday) that it can cause damage to the fuel system censors and many other problems that u dont want to risk.

if you want to get the best possible ET for free, strip your car of every last thing you dont need, like rear seats, passenger seat (if its not being used), spare tire, and anything that u dont have to have. also, learn how to drive the car! that always helps! good luck

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:52 am

The above is possibly true for mostly stock cars. When I had my old daytona(hence older car) I ran 93octane from KwickFill to 2 bottles of Prestone 0-60. It helped with my detonation when I was running 25psi from a Garret T04 turbo on my 2.24cyl.
As for the newer cars its questionable. DCx used to say not to add anything into the tanks but recently with poor gas quality and severe carbon build up in the compustion chambers due to the poor gas, DCx offers gas additives,cumbustion chamber cleaners etc.

playboy2k4 · Post by **playboy2k4** » Wed May 10, 2006 10:03 am

Outlaw works! the one that comes in 4 tubes.

OB · Post by OB » Wed May 10, 2006 11:29 am

I kinda wanna branch this out real quick hopefully someone knows a bit about my problem/situation. I run Chevron regular 87 octane gas in my neon everytime i fill up, and ive only changed brands maybe twice since i got my car last summer. anyways, i was reading the service manual the other day (yes i READ the service manual in my spare time, thats how much i love my car!), and noticed that it said that using bad quality gasoline can cause several noticable side effects, one of which is HESITATION. this caught my eye, cuz my car is known for being quite the "thinker" and i experience what i think to be a 'fuel cut' every once in awhile.
anyhow, the point is, could the gas im using (one of the best brands out there) actually be of bad quality and possibly causing my car to hesitate, or is the fuel cut just a normal thing that commonly happens no matter what type of fuel i use? this all just got me thinkin about whether premium might really be better and whether its possible that with prices of oil and whatnot being so high, maybe the companies (even the good ones) are buying less potent gas that isnt any better than the shit they sell at 7-11. anyone have an ideas or opinions on this?

koreysxt · Post by **koreysxt** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:55 pm

Yeah -- I ran it a few times when I had a Turbo DSM. It may have made a small difference there. I doubt it would make any positive difference on a NA Neon.

skuttler · Post by **skuttler** » Wed May 10, 2006 4:50 pm

orangeblastsxt wrote:I kinda wanna branch this out real quick hopefully someone knows a bit about my problem/situation. I run Chevron regular 87 octane gas in my neon everytime i fill up, and ive only changed brands maybe twice since i got my car last summer. anyways, i was reading the service manual the other day (yes i READ the service manual in my spare time, thats how much i love my car!), and noticed that it said that using bad quality gasoline can cause several noticable side effects, one of which is HESITATION. this caught my eye, cuz my car is known for being quite the "thinker" and i experience what i think to be a 'fuel cut' every once in awhile.
anyhow, the point is, could the gas im using (one of the best brands out there) actually be of bad quality and possibly causing my car to hesitate, or is the fuel cut just a normal thing that commonly happens no matter what type of fuel i use? this all just got me thinkin about whether premium might really be better and whether its possible that with prices of oil and whatnot being so high, maybe the companies (even the good ones) are buying less potent gas that isnt any better than the shit they sell at 7-11. anyone have an ideas or opinions on this?

I've heard that everybody gets their gas from the same bigass pipeline and then some companys add different stuff to their gas like detergents and ethonal. The best gas is supposed to be the top tier gasoline. Chevron is on the list:

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

conoco is also on the list and their gas can be found for $.15/gallon cheaper than most of the chevrons around here. I always fill up at conoco. If your car is hesitating with chevron though i don't think it's bad gas thats causing it. One thing you might try is acetone. I just dumped 2 ounces in my last tank of gas because everybody on the other.org swears it will increase your fuel mileage and power. I haven't noticed a power increase but the jury is still out on fuel mileage. Some people say that it helps their idle quality and reduces hesitation. Other people say that it will eat through all your gaskets, make your rods shoot out of your engine block, and impale you. You can get a 32 oz bottle of the stuff for like 3 bucks at walmart. I say it's worth a try.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:29 am

mmm, no gas companies around here on that list

OB, unless youve done some serious mods you dont need 91or higher, try a tank of 89 for shits and giggles to see how it does then. Remember are cars are 9.8:1 comp and should run great on 89.

caustic neon · Post by **caustic neon** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:18 am

acetone dose not work. i was reading this just as i was watching MYTHBUSTERS and thay were trying out various gas saving methods. the acetone actualy made the milage worse. + there is something about putting something outher than gas in my tank

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:47 am

caustic neon wrote:acetone dose not work. i was reading this just as i was watching MYTHBUSTERS and thay were trying out various gas saving methods. the acetone actualy made the milage worse. + there is something about putting something outher than gas in my tank

Who the flying fuck would put acetone in their gas?!

Edit: I hope you meant to say 'octane.'

caustic neon · Post by **caustic neon** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:06 am

nope acetone!

to quote skuttler
One thing you might try is acetone. I just dumped 2 ounces in my last tank of gas because everybody on the other.org swears it will increase your fuel mileage and power. I haven't noticed a power increase but the jury is still out on fuel mileage. Some people say that it helps their idle quality and reduces hesitation. Other people say that it will eat through all your gaskets, make your rods shoot out of your engine block, and impale you. You can get a 32 oz bottle of the stuff for like 3 bucks at walmart. I say it's worth a try.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:14 am

I run acetone in my gas, and it does work. It has raised my lead foot from 25 to 31 MPG when we were using winterized gas. It did take a little bit for it to start working well, and honestly, I don't think I am using enough yet. I think I am going to go e-mail the mythbusters and tell them to do research on the research we have been doing on acetone. It honestly does work, and its cheap as hell.

rice_eater · Post by **rice_eater** » Thu May 11, 2006 2:00 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:mmm, no gas companies around here on that list

OB, unless youve done some serious mods you dont need 91or higher, try a tank of 89 for shits and giggles to see how it does then. Remember are cars are 9.8:1 comp and should run great on 89.

and the 03+s have a pathetic 9.3:1

i asked the dealer how they managed to keep the power levels the same yet drop the compression half a point but ofcourse he had no clue what i was talking about

higher octane only really hurts because with the increased resistence to burn, the flamefront now takes longer to burn; of course your pcm will compensate to a point so this isnt really an issue unless you try to run racegas (100octane +); basically your mixture doesnt fully burn, you get fouling, you shoot out unburned gasses and fuel, and that's about it...

i can believe claims of higher octane helping regular cars, but only in the following situation: if you leave in really hot climates, the extra heat means your engine will have a hard time cooling and in time heatsoak will cause slight detonation, and the dreaded pulled timing; use 89 instead of 87 on really hot days and yeah you probably will see a slight difference

i would use toluene if you want to boost octane now and then and actually need it .... its cheap and readily available over racegas, all while having an octane rating of 114, way above what any aditive (except torco) would give you;

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:38 pm

http://www.consumerenergycenter.org/myt ... aving.html

This guy I work with swears by this additive though - scientifically, it makes sense, but have I tried it? no. He claims his Excursion is getting 18% more mpg now after 6 weeks of use.
Website is below:
http://www.turbogas.mybpbiz.com/index.asp?pgid=3

Nick Drake · Post by **Nick Drake** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:46 pm

caustic neon wrote:nope acetone!

to quote skuttler
One thing you might try is acetone. I just dumped 2 ounces in my last tank of gas because everybody on the other.org swears it will increase your fuel mileage and power. I haven't noticed a power increase but the jury is still out on fuel mileage. Some people say that it helps their idle quality and reduces hesitation. Other people say that it will eat through all your gaskets, make your rods shoot out of your engine block, and impale you. You can get a 32 oz bottle of the stuff for like 3 bucks at walmart. I say it's worth a try.

nope!

i'm actually watching an episode of mythbusters and they're debunking the myths about fuel addatives and crazy contraptions they sell online. the acetone actually got them 1 mile per gallon less on all their tests.

oh and on a side note, they were driving a neon (1gen i think) to one of the tracks they were testing on. they didn't actually test the neon, but they drove up in it lol.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sat May 13, 2006 10:52 pm

The problem I have with the mythbusters is this: They need more time to check this stuff out - the way that ECU's are nowaday's, they need time to adjust and need several runnings of addatives to come up with better results. I can't see them adding this stuff and saying ok, it didn't give me anything on this run, so it doesn't work.

Post by **racer12306** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:06 pm

acetone works for some and doesnt work for others. it even works for some 03 sxt's and doesnt work for other 03 sxt's. just to show how specific i mean. there is absolutly no guarentee that it will help your car.

Nick Drake · Post by **Nick Drake** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:18 pm

kc2002acr wrote:The problem I have with the mythbusters is this: They need more time to check this stuff out - the way that ECU's are nowaday's, they need time to adjust and need several runnings of addatives to come up with better results. I can't see them adding this stuff and saying ok, it didn't give me anything on this run, so it doesn't work.

they used a carburated car and a fuel injected car though, both lost in gas mileage, even though it was only around 1mpg each test.

edit: well wait...would that matter?

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sat May 13, 2006 11:32 pm

I guess it depends on the type of car, engine, year, make, model, etc... that is why those tests, even though serve a good purpose, are hard to believe as 'hard evidence'. I don't know, I have heard people who swear by them, and people who are totally against them. Me, I put nothing but gas and fuel system cleaner in my tank - and when it is below 10 degrees, HEAT.

quicksilvr · Post by **quicksilvr** » Sun May 14, 2006 3:36 pm

racer12306 wrote:acetone works for some and doesnt work for others. it even works for some 03 sxt's and doesnt work for other 03 sxt's. just to show how specific i mean. there is absolutly no guarentee that it will help your car.

Exactly. I just put 2 ounces in at my last fillup also, just to try it. I'm going to use it again on my next fillup, and average those tanks MPG to see if I notice a difference. If it doesn't work, oh well. I guarantee it's not going to ruin anything. Not 2 oz to 10-11 gallons....

marakka · Post by **marakka** » Sun May 14, 2006 4:14 pm

Just a word of advice..... Acetone eats rubber. Yer right.... 2oz to 10 gallons isn't much. Do it over and over again and see what happens.

OB · Post by OB » Mon May 15, 2006 12:47 pm

very interesting stuff.. i almost shat my pants when i read that people were actually using acetone in their gas, but i suppose such a small amount isnt such a big deal. im still runnin reg 87 from chevron, and i havent had any hesitation since that last incident. heres my 2 cents/theory:

when driving in first or second, say in a parking lot, its common to drop off the throttle (gently or otherwise) to let the tranny slow the car down (same as downshifting). in some cases one might want to switch from 1st to neutral to coast a bit. the my experience, after depressing the clutch in first, then getting back on the throttle normally and releasing the clutch, the car almost ALWAYS hesitiates, sometimes for over 2-3 seconds. the hesitation is indicated by the car "not going when u press the gas". it usually involves severe jerking when the hesitations starts, due to a complete cut off of power.

ive concluded that the ECU thinks that by depressing the clutch in low gear that the car is about to come to a stop (roll up to a light for example) and cuts fuel to save gas (or something like that). and when the clutch is released and the car is asked to continue where it left off, the computer has to figure out whats going on, hence the hesitation. ive read before that our cars (and many others) are designed to be economic when the throttle is not engaged and they have brief fuel cuts programmed into the ecu to save a bit of gas when coasting or slowing down in gear. all of this seems to have something to do with that, so i thought id share my findings (I tested this several times by the way with my success). anyone have any thoughts on this?