What would it take for 15's?

Vampyre · Post by **Vampyre** » Thu May 13, 2004 10:03 am

on an 04, mtx, what mods would net me 15's? right now i have cai, this saturday i am getting an odp, and an udp put on, next week i am putting on my dropzones(is it true that lower stance and stiffer springs help with launch?) and hopfully a straight thru muffler with in the coming months. what else do yo guys think i will need?

also on my soon to come list is an srt-4 sts with boogers.

Brett R/T · Post by **Brett R/T** » Thu May 13, 2004 2:12 pm

with the intake and udp that you said you'll have, i'd think that you'd be right on the edge of 15's. You might already be there. If not, i think 1 more mod would do it.

01R/T owner · Post by **01R/T owner** » Sat May 15, 2004 1:23 am

depends alot on driver and weight...with a good launch its not unrealistic for base MTX to run a 15.9...SXT I would guess is 16.3 or so stock, my bet is with a decent mid 2.3 60ft time, you'll run 16.0...Let me know how close I am when ya go to a track

mynameiskiller · Post by **mynameiskiller** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 9:54 am

my car is an 01 SE mtx. i have a magnum header, udp, homemade cai, Turbo II muffler on 2.25 piping, and energy suspensions mm inserts. my best run was 15.901@86.04 with very limited traction due to bad track surface prep(ask n0te about Edgewater opening day, thats when i ran). i took out the passenger seat, and back seat cushion and the spare and jack. i also weigh 350 lbs. with better trac. and my new tires, i should be able to drop at least a tenth...

noTe · Post by **noTe** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:00 am

It's going to take engine internals to hit low 15's, high 14's. But like Killer said, he ran 15.9

pwned · Post by **pwned** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:03 am

youre gonna need a rear-ending, insurance money, and a purchase of a better car. best way to accomplish this: slam your brakes in the middle of highspeed traffic. tell furious drivers of damaged cars that you saw a plastic bag floating across the highway and you thought it was a baby squirrel, and you didnt want to hurt it.

noTe · Post by **noTe** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 10:11 am

pwned wrote:youre gonna need a rear-ending, insurance money, and a purchase of a better car. best way to accomplish this: slam your brakes in the middle of highspeed traffic. tell furious drivers of damaged cars that you saw a plastic bag floating across the highway and you thought it was a baby squirrel, and you didnt want to hurt it.

Uh no. My friend had a 14 second all motor 1G Neon. Lay off the special brownies there bro.

grindpunk16 · Post by **grindpunk16** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 11:18 am

umm udp and spray or turbo if you want 15's nothing else will really help you unfortunatly

. im me if you want more info on this.

diablo25mn · Post by **diablo25mn** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:12 am

Back when i was all-motor on 15" Azenis i ran 15.5 w/ CAI, UDP, 2.36" exhuast, and a AEM cam gear tuned to -2 degrees I ran 15.5 at 88 mph with a 2.1 60ft time. It can be done plus i had a friend in a 1st gen ACR that ran 14.79 at 89 mph that was just a bit over stock he had a ghetto cai and thats about it. MOst of the issues 2nd gens have with the 1/4 is traction and weight, if you have based then not so but SXTs take the fat end of the stick since they lack the extra power of the magnum motors and wieght about the same.

grindpunk16 · Post by **grindpunk16** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:39 am

ya it can be done on pre 03 cars very easly but ngc cars its much harder. if you guys want the info on this speak now or ever hold you peace

Stonebender · Post by **Stonebender** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 8:33 pm

OK... What's so hard about making your NGC car run 15's?

DannyBoy · Post by **DannyBoy** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:59 pm

Stonebender wrote:OK... What's so hard about making your NGC car run 15's?

The ECU.

Stonebender · Post by **Stonebender** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 10:01 pm

That's just a rumor.

grindpunk16 · Post by **grindpunk16** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:02 am

Stonebender wrote:

That's just a rumor.

Not a rumor. had sllywhtboy clarify it. Mook was right. The car will make some sort of power but not how you guys are use to. most of the power will be made under the peak umm the best thing you could do would be to raise compression get a bigger cam turbo or spray

i have given up on the dohc project due to the electronics and this fucked up. that should tell you something right there. Hell even with the head milled .035, removed layer of gasket i would only be 9.1:1 fuck that. they used lower compression ratio pistons on the 03+ non magnum block. New crank trigger makes the limitation of power possible. hell the udp is one of the only things making power on these cars

Nightspy · Post by **Nightspy** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 8:58 am

Now i'm really confused. NGC? what is that? is my 2004 R/T considered an NGC?

grindpunk16 · Post by **grindpunk16** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:49 am

Next generation controller. 03+dcx controlled cars. Yes your 04 is controlled by it

Vampyre · Post by **Vampyre** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:06 pm

i dont understand what that is doing to prevent the car from making power. i have an intake and a glass pack on my car for now(i think god just dosn't want this udp on my car lol), and it seems to pull a bit harder after 4k, but i know that is all just but dyno prolly, and my getting better at driving the stick could be a factor aswell so i dunno. could you explain what it does more or is there some place i can read more about it? and why would they lower the compression, i think i read somewere that lower compression=lower gas milage? sorry, not trying to be rude or anything, just curious

diablo25mn · Post by **diablo25mn** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:08 pm

well i haven't had too much experience with the new controllers except on the SRTs.. but here is what i noticed. The NGC system tends to modify how it runs the car based on the outside conditions, ie its cold outside in a SRT4 it pulls boost vs its warm it ups the boost to compensate for hp loss or excessive gain. I'm assuming that this might also go into affect in the 03-04 neons. So this would that basic bolt-ons like intake and exhaust might gain some initial hp, but once the NGC finds a way to adapt to your mods and it will decrease the majority of your gains. Now the key question here is how does the NGC respond to mods like higher compression, bigger cam, cam gear, ported manifolds, piggy back fuel computers, piggy back timing computers, p&p head, and so on.

grindpunk16 · Post by **grindpunk16** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 6:36 pm

it has a torque bias limit actually. no the lower compression on the non mag blocks is for better gas milage. the computer can compisate for a dis-4, safc, smt-6 ect. no one knows if the megasquirt will work. but the pcm cant compinsate for cams and higher compression but can with gears ported manifolds. but then again i never believed mook at first.

Vampyre · Post by **Vampyre** » Sun Jul 11, 2004 8:35 am

does it only limit torque? or hp too? if thy eventually get off there asses and make a computer for the 03+ would that do away with this controller? so is it pritty much pointless to mod the car with basic bolt ons? from the sound of it i guess the only option is a turbo, cam and higher compression to get any faster?

NeoNiaiN · Post by **NeoNiaiN** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:47 am

dvgRT is running 15.9's with his '03 R/T.....

He has a ACI,EXH,LT,UDP

DvsKreationz03 · Post by **DvsKreationz03** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 5:37 am

Ok, I dont blieve that it's hard for the 03-up to make power. I had my ATX runnin a 16 flat, but that was when I was runnin the Iceman, stock TB bored out, fartcan muffler, MSD wires, UDP and sum cheap ass wannabe coilovers. That was the last time I ran it at the track in Sept of 03. Now I have added Borla header, hi-flow cat, Thermal R&D cat-back, full suspension(Mopar stage II c/o, swaybars, strutbars, poly bushings), 60mm TB, MSD coil. When I was home on leave from Iraq 2 months ago, I beat a Stang GT(96) in a fair streetlight match. I estimate that that is around a 15 flat or better. I am also swappin in a 3.94 LSD tranny w/ all the good stuff. It's not true that an NGC car will not make power. My up-comin mods will also add more power, a 10.5:1 motor runnin a crane #12 cam w/ full-race port with the Mopar Performance computer(unless FAST develops a computer first). I'm lookin for better than 13-sec performance, 12 or better with 100shot.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:25 pm

i ran a 16.11 stock with a k&n filter in the stock box. i think an udp would get me almost there. i bet a magnum cam would do the trick.

element1o · Post by **element1o** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:23 am

i have to be pulling at least mid 15's on a good day...my friend has a 1.8T jetta that ran a 15.5 and a 15.7 and i stay rite up there with her...my car's pretty much stock too.plymouth lx...mtx...i have a filter on the throttle body, msd coil pack, taylor wires, and a muffler, AFX solid motor mount... dont let people tell you you cant hit 15's...it all depends on how you drive it.

yeah i've been meaning to ask people...does neone know about the sport 2000?? it's painted on my trunk lid...came from the factory like that...the car's weird tho...i eat R/T's all the time... there's a kid that has a 2nd gen R/Twith some extra toys and i stomp him by a few car lengths....i was just wonderin if it was some weird package? i dunno

Post by **racer12306** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:22 pm

is it a bare bones neon, no sunroof, power windows, locks, etc. they can get very light. you could also have a factory freek. its rare but it happens.

element1o · Post by **element1o** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:58 pm

actually the car has a sunroof and power windows up front along with power locks

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:41 pm

Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 4:01 am Post subject: 1st timer results

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Tonight was my first time to run on a drag strip.

First run lined up in left lane against some old muscle car that had fat rear tires and a big old hood cowl...he redlighted and didn't even run so I ended up with a solo run. I was nervous as hell!

reaction 1.3065
60ft 2.4828
330 6.8672
1/8 10.5057 @ 66.78
1/4 16.3603 @ 84.67

was pretty dissappointed but I figured it was my first run so I would get quicker as I figured it out.

2nd run (against a mustang cobra)

reac 1.0425
60 2.5484
330 6.9127
1/8 10.5320 @67.16
1/4 16.3672 @84.95

Cobra had a 1.2959 reac and 2.1930 60ft and it only got worse from there...he ended up running 12.57 @ 115.8

Run #3 against an old modded station wagon with a "Imports are like tampons" sticker in the back window.

reac. 1.1347
60 2.5872
330 6.9987
1/8 10.6271 @ 67.24
1/4 16.4435 @ 85.10

grocery getter ran a 14.0892 @ 94.70

run #4 against an STI

reac 1.4161
60 2.5231
330 6.9239
1/8 10.6064 @ 63.86
1/4 16.7791 @ 81.74 missed 3rd (twice )

sti ran 15.1058 @ 101.28 but he red lighted so "techically" I won

Like I said this was first time to the track. Nothing special...left all my powerlifting stuff in the trunk, didn't play with tire pressure, had about 1/2 tank of gas.

I am really dissappointed in how slow I ran. I was hoping to crack into the upper 15's. I guess I didn't realize how much it takes to shave a few tenths off your time. I missed 3rd twice on my last run and I still was less than a half second off my best time.

It is all about the launch and 60' times. Practicing on the street will not help. Go to the track and see what you run...make some mods and go back to the track. The more track time the better