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MPx UDP ?
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 10:54 pm
by Dimas
I was wondering does the MPx UDP come with the timing belt, alternator belts, A/C /Power Steering belt or are those sold separately?
Also I did a search and I can't seem to find the difference btw the MPx UDP and the Unorthrodox UDP thanks.
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:25 pm
by 2001 ACR
BUMP! I'd really like to know too!
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:33 pm
by -Devil-
it doesn't come with timing belt .. but comes with alt and ac / ps belt ...
Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:33 pm
by Hudson_Neon
the difference is like $100 and the UR is just a tad bit lighter. it comes with the alt. belt and A/C - P/S belt. but they're Dayco belts (junk) the timing belt doesn't have anything to do with the UDP
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 1:29 am
by Dimas
Alright so lets say I do get the MPx UDP since its cheaper and ya not made of money, but I'm around 87k and wanna do the timing belt, serp. belt and water pump, figuring I might as well get free up lil extra power by gettin the UDP.
I plan on having a shop doing the install, so any old timing belt will fit then like the one on Modern? Is that one any good? Since the shop timing belt is like 57 and MP is just 10 bucks cheaper but hey I'm all for saving heh. They wanna charge 250 for labor but I rather not eff it up or go through the hassle.
Plus since the dayco ones suck anywhere I can get better ones? Thanks.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 2:51 am
by Adionik
wtf dayco belts suck?
damnit!
atleast i got a gates for the accessories. i kinda cheaped out on the alt belt incase i get a udp later
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:03 am
by Hudson_Neon
find a place that sells Gates belts... or find a NAPA store. their belts are creaper than gates brand, but if you look on the back of the cardboard sheith gates makes the belts for NAPA
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:28 pm
by Dimas
now when I go in there to buy them, is there a P/N or should I tell them I'm runnin a UDP and they will know what to get?
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:35 pm
by Hudson_Neon
NAPA P/N's: 25-040500 and 25-040305
now if you order a lorenzo ODP for your alt. then you'll need 25-040292 instead of 25-040305
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:37 pm
by Adionik
I was going to order a Lorenzo UDP but so far I haven't seen enough reason to get it. The second I get a battery light or shit starts turning off i'm doing it haha
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:37 pm
by racer12306
The Lorenzo piece is an ODP (overdrive pulley) that goes on the alternator.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:39 pm
by Hudson_Neon
i have one goin on in with my MPx UDP in a couple weeks. i'll do a product review when i get the car runnin
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:16 pm
by ZeroChad
Why do the dayco belts suck?
The ones I got with the UDP look alright. We use the brand on a few industrial applications at work, they work fine there. Do they wear fast or something?
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:35 pm
by Danteneon
ZeroChad wrote:Why do the dayco belts suck?
The ones I got with the UDP look alright. We use the brand on a few industrial applications at work, they work fine there. Do they wear fast or something?
Dayco belts are fine in a industrial application, but not so much in automotive (serpentine to be specific) application. Dayco belts (and Goodyear IMO) tend to be noisy and wear much faster than Gates belts. They have a tendency to glaze quickly. This is based on personal experience with all three brands over the last 7 years.
[/.02]
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:24 pm
by Dimas
thas depressing to hear since thats what I get with the MPx , i especially hate weird dumb noises.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:50 pm
by Danteneon
Dimas wrote:thas depressing to hear since thats what I get with the MPx , i especially hate weird dumb noises.
It isn't that big a deal...just swap out the two belts with better ones, or use the two that come with it and cross your fingers you won't have to change them too soon
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:56 pm
by racer12306
The dayco's that came with my UDP are squeeking when the power draw gets a little high, like headlights and rear defrost on at the same time. I have only had the UDP on for about 10000 - 15000 miles
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:01 pm
by Danteneon
racer12306 wrote:The dayco's that came with my UDP are squeeking when the power draw gets a little high, like headlights and rear defrost on at the same time. I have only had the UDP on for about 10000 - 15000 miles
I worked for an autoparts store for a while, and when it came time to change my belts, we had Dayco. With the stock pulley on, the belt would squalk when load was added to the engine (electrical or speed induced). It was more pronounced when wet. No amount of adjusting would quiet it either
Gates FTW
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:30 pm
by Dimas
whats the gates website, I tried to look up the belts on the napa site but got completely different P/Ns
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 6:35 pm
by racer12306
you aren't going to be able to go to the gates website and look up the belts without having a cross reference belt.
the belts will be shorter than stock.
Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:27 pm
by Hudson_Neon
well NAPA's server must be down or something. i'll edit this post with links to the exact belts you'll need as soon as their site is back up
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:29 pm
by Dimas
well I just found out the shop I'm taking my car to uses Goodyear Gator-backs or something like that belts. any good? otherwise I'm gonna go for the Gates Hi-Performance belt since I don't wanna cheap out on the timing belt.
Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:40 pm
by Hudson_Neon
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:11 am
by Dimas
yea all those timed out or something so I looked up these.
http://www.gates.com/part_locator/index ... on_id=3002
I see they have blue for high performance, I would like to do it for timing belt, PS + A/C and Alt. i would like to do High performance but depends on price vs. standard, can anyone explain to me what this "interference engine application" mean??
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:13 am
by Adionik
Anyone with a UDP notice a difference in the steering at around 60+ mph?
I have..feels bumpier and a lil noticeably weaker I assume.
I will flush the fluid and maybe see if that helps. How do you change the fluid on that btw?
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:07 pm
by Dimas
so i ordered the MPx UDP, kinda of confused about the ordering the R/T falls into the Neon category right, not w/ the SRT - 4 slot
so I choose 00-05 neon, 2.0 L SOHC, thas right, right?
Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 10:10 pm
by Hudson_Neon
correct... remember, it's still a 2.0L. that means it's "basic" compared to the SRT. only real upgrades that are interchangable are suspension componants
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:12 am
by Dimas
ok my next ?, the belts that they supply on MP and P/Ns (A/C & PS, Alternator) I'm guessing are different sizes than the stock ones right? Since apparently the dayco ones they apply are crap like you guys say, are there Gates ones that will fit?
My engine is vibrating horribly when I drive and I'm starting to get worried about it
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 9:25 am
by Hudson_Neon
yeah, gates' numbers are...
K040500 for the dayco 5040500
K040305 for the dayco 5040305
Posted: Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:28 pm
by Dimas
ok now that I'm clear on that then, the timing belt has nothing to do with the UDP then so I can just get the reg. old blue timing belt for performance for the R/T right, the other P/Ns you gave should replace the dayco. Thanks on all the info guys I really appreciate heh, a lil wiser now lol...well not really but gettin there.
Also the Gates Hi Performance Timing belt for the 03 r/t is T245RB right?