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Post by neon angel » Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:59 pm

changed my oil yesterday went with Royal Purple and an K&N oil filter with the new filter will it take a full 5 ts now or just 4.5?
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Post by rannox » Fri Apr 11, 2008 6:54 pm

ive always heard 5, but mine took 4.5.

I say put 4 in, then wait a while, then check the dipstick.
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Post by Donkeypuncher » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:06 pm

Unless you have a larger capacity filter, it's gonna be 4.5 quarts.

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Post by jonnymopar » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:29 pm

using Viper filter = approximately 5 quarts
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Post by Donkeypuncher » Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:44 pm

Ahh, so this is the viper filter I've been reading about. Just might have to try one out.

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Post by neon angel » Fri Apr 11, 2008 11:02 pm

so the k&n oil filter is also a viper filter?
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Post by jonnymopar » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:30 am

The K&N filter for the Viper is HP2004. The K&N filter for the regular Neon is HP1002. Which one did you use?
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Post by randomZERO » Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:48 am

jonnymopar wrote:The K&N filter for the Viper is HP2004. The K&N filter for the regular Neon is HP1002. Which one did you use?
Not trying to thread jack but I am using the Mopar Viper filter and sometimes I have problems with oil pressure, ever heard or have problems with this or is it just in my head? Also op dont waste money on royal purple unless its for the trans cause mobil 1 is cheaper and works just fine.
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Post by racer12306 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 8:01 am

fat filter = 5 qts

normal filter = 4.5qts
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Post by TN.Frank » Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:21 am

Like everyone said, normally the 2.0L will take 4.5 qts. I used an STP S3600 on my last change instead of the standard S3614 because I wanted a larger filter and I only needed another 1/8th qt. to top off. Just don't over fill it or you'll blow a seal.
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Post by jonnymopar » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:46 am

randomZERO wrote:Not trying to thread jack but I am using the Mopar Viper filter and sometimes I have problems with oil pressure, ever heard or have problems with this or is it just in my head? Also op dont waste money on royal purple unless its for the trans cause mobil 1 is cheaper and works just fine.
What type of problems are you having? If anything, I've got a little better oil pressure with the larger filter. If you think about it, a larger filter will have a larger area where oil can flow through. Naturally, that will create less of a restriction than a smaller filter made of the same type of material, allowing a slightly higher pressure to be maintained. It could be that, or maybe it's just the K&N (which I've seen great results with on several cars I've owned).

I've never used Royal Purple, but my car has seen nothing but Mobil 1 in my ownership and I'm happy with it.
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Post by yellowpatrol » Sat Apr 12, 2008 10:46 am

I like blowing seals, and not wasting oil so I just dump the whole 5 in there. I'll probably spill out half a quart through the PCV in the first 5 minutes of driving anyway ;)
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Post by racer12306 » Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:14 pm

TN.Frank wrote:Like everyone said, normally the 2.0L will take 4.5 qts. I used an STP S3600 on my last change instead of the standard S3614 because I wanted a larger filter and I only needed another 1/8th qt. to top off. Just don't over fill it or you'll blow a seal.
The 3600 is a taller version of the 3614, the 16 is a fatter version. The 16 holds more and is a better choice because it is almost the same height as stock
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Post by jonnymopar » Sat Apr 12, 2008 7:20 pm

yellowpatrol wrote:I like blowing seals, and not wasting oil so I just dump the whole 5 in there. I'll probably spill out half a quart through the PCV in the first 5 minutes of driving anyway ;)
:wtf: If you're blowing seals, then you are wasting oil, either by burning it or dripping it on the pavement. I just fill mine up and save the bottle of what's left. Next oil change, fill it up, add remaining to the bottle I saved before. If I do that every time, every so often I've accumulated enough for a free oil change :)
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Post by randomZERO » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:42 am

Im working on a catch can but it seems like the car will stumble sometimes under normal accelarationand stall out and that kicks the oil light on, im wondering if thats cause of all the oil in the intake mani. I was using walmart junk ass supertech filters with no problems. I will try a K&N what part number is it for that filter? I know there is a list but you are right here lol
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Post by Wenuden » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:50 am

I thought it was general knowledge that k&n oil filters are pieces of shit? Ill stick with my mopars.
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Post by racer12306 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:05 am

K&N's aren't junk, they are just expensive. Up until recently Mopars were just black Fram's.
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Post by aperson » Sun Apr 13, 2008 11:51 am

What seals are we talking about blowing?
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Post by rannox » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:58 pm

Wenuden wrote:I thought it was general knowledge that k&n oil filters are pieces of shit? Ill stick with my mopars.
Ive always understood that the K&N Oil filters were actually better than their air filters.

And that mopar filters were basically price jacked, and repainted frams.
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Post by racer12306 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:06 pm

Mopar filter USED to be black frams. They are not anymore.
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Post by jonnymopar » Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:40 pm

Wenuden wrote:I thought it was general knowledge that k&n oil filters are pieces of shit? Ill stick with my mopars.
Just the opposite my friend. The Mopar name goes to the lowest bidder when it comes to their oil filters. Nothing special. As Frank said already, they were Fram before. I'm sure someone stepped in with a lower bid and Mopar jumped on it, so who knows what they are now. Not only that, but it can be filter-specific as well (it has been in the past). One company may make one Mopar oil filter while another company makes a different one in the line. Still, they're all sold under the Mopar name. You never know what you're getting. I wouldn't trust one on my car.

K&N air and oil filters have worked excellent for me time and time again, on several different cars and trucks.
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Post by ewetho » Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:00 am

The K&N oil filter is a great filter as is the Mobil1 and Amsoil EaO series.

You can get a EaO 96 which is about a 1/3" taller than the "Viper" filter and just as wide.

The K&N air filter when properly seal and oiled will perform adequately but is know to pass dirt if improper cleanded and oiled or does not adequately seal in the air box.
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Post by TN.Frank » Wed Apr 16, 2008 5:49 pm

So the 3616 would be an even better choice then the 3600? I know the 14 and 3600 are the same dia. but the 3600 is longer. So the 16 is the same length of the 14 just larger in dia. so it'll do about the same as the 3600 then?
Now for the million dollar question, what filter can I use on my Husqvarna lawn mower so I won't have to spend $10 bucks for one of those stubby deals? LOL.
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Post by occasional demons » Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:34 pm

I would stick with the fatter one for the 2.0's as the longer one will hang down farther possibly making it an easier target for road hazards.
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Post by J-Villa » Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:32 am

i've always used k & n oil filters....no porblems here
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Post by racer12306 » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:22 pm

TN.Frank wrote:So the 3616 would be an even better choice then the 3600? I know the 14 and 3600 are the same dia. but the 3600 is longer. So the 16 is the same length of the 14 just larger in dia. so it'll do about the same as the 3600 then?
Now for the million dollar question, what filter can I use on my Husqvarna lawn mower so I won't have to spend $10 bucks for one of those stubby deals? LOL.
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Post by jake_tim » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:24 pm

Mine takes EXACTLY 4 quarts. That takes the oil right up to the top of the full line on my dipstick. i just use the stock size oil fliter.

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Post by racer12306 » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:25 pm

When do you check it?

I'm going to take a guess that you change the oil and the filter, then put 4 qts in and check it. That would make sense as to why you are reading 4 qts as full.

What you need to do is start the car after adding 4.5 qts, then I bet you will see that the level is full.
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Post by Danteneon » Thu Apr 17, 2008 11:21 pm

jake_tim wrote:Mine takes EXACTLY 4 quarts. That takes the oil right up to the top of the full line on my dipstick. i just use the stock size oil fliter.
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Yeah...like Frank said. You may want to make sure the next time you do an oil change. I have not seen a Neon yet that is properly filled with 4 qts of oil using a stock sized filter.
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Post by jake_tim » Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:07 am

thats strange, because even afterit runs for a while. it still reads within the top half of the fill line area. idk. My car has ran fine for the 50K miles I have put on it in the past two and a half years (synthetic and ever 5K)

But I will try 4.5 next time around, just to see.

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