How to get more HP

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:42 pm

Opi wrote:Faster, neon, cheap... None of thoes words go together in a sentance.

The words "cheap" and "Neon" go together quite well in a sentence, unless you're trying to go fast.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:50 am

blue demon02 wrote: U,mm last time I checked you can not get all that for less then 300. You might if you find it used but even then you will be hard pressed to do it.

Adionik wrote:The handling is pretty decent, my main gripes are the turning radius and the stability. Reversing to get into a parking spot is almost always a must. Hahaha.

Other than that at times over 100mph does not feel safe IMO. The ass end loves to start jumping. Once you go rear sway bar it gets 10x worst...I have fish tailed about 3 times as it is. But it was my fault for taking a 90 turn at 50mph
And you Are the perfect example of why there are so many wrecked SRT's out there. If you knew how to drive and how to listen to your car when it was trying to tell you things that would not happen. When I built up my first neon I could do that easily and 100MPH was no problem. But I had several things you lack Better struts, better sway bars, and strut braces. When you actually have a decent suspension setup then you will think different about how well our cars handle. Until then stop doing crap like that before you kill yourself.

Lmfao, you're a stupid moron. You can get a full bushing kit for around $100 and used aftermarket sway bars for way under $300. It's not my fault you're too stupid to shop around for prices.

Oh really? And what was your setup that was just so good? I have strut braces, SRT struts soon to be dropped and the best sway bars you can buy for this car.

Go flaunt how much "better" your shit is than mine somewhere else. You're a moron...

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 2:52 am

Adionik wrote:
blue demon02 wrote: U,mm last time I checked you can not get all that for less then 300. You might if you find it used but even then you will be hard pressed to do it.

Adionik wrote:The handling is pretty decent, my main gripes are the turning radius and the stability. Reversing to get into a parking spot is almost always a must. Hahaha.

Other than that at times over 100mph does not feel safe IMO. The ass end loves to start jumping. Once you go rear sway bar it gets 10x worst...I have fish tailed about 3 times as it is. But it was my fault for taking a 90 turn at 50mph
And you Are the perfect example of why there are so many wrecked SRT's out there. If you knew how to drive and how to listen to your car when it was trying to tell you things that would not happen. When I built up my first neon I could do that easily and 100MPH was no problem. But I had several things you lack Better struts, better sway bars, and strut braces. When you actually have a decent suspension setup then you will think different about how well our cars handle. Until then stop doing crap like that before you kill yourself.
Lmfao, you're a stupid moron. You can get a full bushing kit for around $100 and used aftermarket sway bars for way under $300. It's not my fault you're too stupid to shop around for prices.

Oh really? And what was your setup that was just so good? I have strut braces, SRT struts soon to be dropped and the best sway bars you can buy for this car.

Go flaunt how much "better" your shit is than mine somewhere else. You're a moron...

SIGH,.
Before you go spouting off that your set-up is sooooo good know your facts.
My set-up:
-ACR Dynamic Struts converted to Coil-over’s with Custom ordered Eibach springs. (You can't even compare inverted coil-over’s to the cheap crap that comes on SRT's, yes I have had them and they sucked)
-Perrin Sway bars. (100X better then stock SRT bars)
-AFX strut braces (Again 100 times better then the cheap E-bay bars)
-SRT wheels with Pilot sport tires. (Pilot Sports are a lot better than the tires they switched to later on, which they did to save money.)

And for those that don't know the prices for those things you better believe I didn't pay full price for those items.

Struts $500 20K miles+ $200 for springs and $150 for labor to turn into coil-over’s. Dynamic struts still are preferred over any brand coil-over’s out by the professional road racers and others. They are used in several world champion race teams both road race as well as rally and others.
Sways $200
Strut braces $150
Wheels/tires with 5K miles purchased less than six months after the SRT came out. $800 (at the time Pilot sports where going for $250 a tire)

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:15 am

I don't have the tiny SRT sway bars, I have hotchskis...which are almost 10mm bigger than the SRT and bigger than your perrin. How many times do I have to say this?

SRT wheels. Seriously? Lmfao. You'd be better off with stock. There is no pride to be taken in 24lb 17x6 rims

$800 for the SRT rims...good lord no wonder you're so angry!

Hey, I still see no bushing kit...you obviously don't know too much about suspension, or you'd know the world of difference solid LCA bushings do.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:48 am

Adionik wrote:Other than that at times over 100mph does not feel safe IMO.

If that is anywhere but the track then you are right... it is very unsafe.

I still say to the OP to keep the thing a daily driver and wait until cash flow improves significantly before doing anything.

Keep your spare cash for those little (or big) unexpected transportation associated expenses that may show up at some point. Nothing worse than discovering an issue with the car one day that is very repairable but you have just sunk all your spare cash into "go fast" items. What is better... having basic transportation or having fast transportation sidelined by issue you don't have funds to fix due to "go fast" investments.

I'm sure I sound like a parental unit with all of the above.

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:50 am

Paul56 wrote:I'm sure I sound like a parental unit with all of the above.

NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM!

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:45 am

Adionik wrote:I don't have the tiny SRT sway bars, I have hotchskis...which are almost 10mm bigger than the SRT and bigger than your perrin. How many times do I have to say this?

SRT wheels. Seriously? Lmfao. You'd be better off with stock. There is no pride to be taken in 24lb 17x6 rims

$800 for the SRT rims...good lord no wonder you're so angry!

Hey, I still see no bushing kit...you obviously don't know too much about suspension, or you'd know the world of difference solid LCA bushings do.

According to your garage you have the SRT wheels, tires and SRT sway bars. And I don't see any mention of bushings in your set-up. You should update your Garage!!!

If you really do have the Hotchkiss sways then that would explain why you keep spinning the car.

I never said anything about bushings. No I did not have any. Yes I know how good they are and how much of a difference they make. I actually had a set sitting in my garage waiting for the chance to install just never got around to it. I think I still have them actually.

5 years ago when the SRT first came out the stock wheels where going for over $1000 for a set. So the $800 I paid with over a $1000 in tires five years ago was a good deal. I understand that five years ago you where 14 and didn't know about such things. Five years ago hotchkiss wasn't making sways for the SRT only the normal neon and at the time the perrin/progress was the biggest you could get. The front I was running was a matching 22mm. Yea it was real easy to get the back to rotate. But I never once spun my neon. (Except on the Auto-X course) (sure wasn’t from lack of hard driving either) The reason your spinning is the fact that you have a very stiff sway bar but the rest of the suspension is not matched. So what is happening is when you go to take a corner the suspension is trying to flex and it can't tell it hits the weak point in your set-up (your struts and anything else that is still stock) and then once those flex you get snap over steer. When you take a corner like that the energy has to go somewhere and when you only have half the car stiff that is exactly what will happen. This also tends to happen if you have a roll point that doesn't match up with the rest of your set-up. You can improve this greatly by lowering your roll point. Just be careful not to drop it to much.

Dude, you really need to Chill. You are the one that posts things and gets all upset and starts calling people stupid and what not. Your young and you don't know as much as others that have been doing this for a long time stop trying to prove how much you know. All your doing is proving the exact opposite

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:39 am

Ok, everyone knows what this means.....

TIME FOR SOME PM'S :cheer:

Please take it to PM's guys

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:11 pm

blue demon02 wrote: Dude, you really need to Chill. You are the one that posts things and gets all upset and starts calling people stupid and what not. Your young and you don't know as much as others that have been doing this for a long time stop trying to prove how much you know. All your doing is proving the exact opposite

Quite the contrary, no matter what thread it's in you enjoy throwing around the "kid" and "junior" shit. You're 28 dude...far from an elder i'm going to show respect to. The information is correct no matter who says it.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:12 pm

racer12306 wrote:Ok, everyone knows what this means.....

TIME FOR SOME PM'S :cheer:

Please take it to PM's guys

Quite bitching at each other

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:05 pm

my weiner is bigger than your weiner!

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:02 pm

Jerome Adams wrote:my weiner is bigger than your weiner!

No it's not.

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:42 pm

racer12306 wrote:Ok, everyone knows what this means.....

TIME FOR SOME PM'S :cheer:

Please take it to PM's guys

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:21 am

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:21 am

Seriously people

slow2.0ts13 · Post by **slow2.0ts13** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:15 am

Adionik wrote:

i lol'd at that but the arguing is pointless.

excon · Post by **excon** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:03 pm

back on topic...

the reason you two started arguing is because I mentioned the suspension. There are some good ideas here. With a small investment our cars can handle relatively well.

I agree with what "dad" stated earlier. Since you're on a limited budget, don't invest the money now. Save it so that you can fix something that will break in the near future.

There's no denying that our cars are reliable "NGC for president" right?

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:44 pm

excon wrote:back on topic...

the reason you two started arguing is because I mentioned the suspension. There are some good ideas here. With a small investment our cars can handle relatively well.

I agree with what "dad" stated earlier. Since you're on a limited budget, don't invest the money now. Save it so that you can fix something that will break in the near future.

There's no denying that our cars are reliable "NGC for president" right?

The Dad comment had me

But agreed to stay on topic. I couldn't agree more. I spent all this money building up my first neon but I almost never drove it. (was broken all the time) I bought it brand new in 02 and traded it in four years later with only 35,000 miles on the OD. If I ever find where that car went I will buy it back. For example the car sat for two months waiting for the money to replace the centerforce clutch I had that decided to lock up on me. Or there was the oil leak on the built motor that the machine shop forgot to put a .25 O ring in when they built it. Get some buffer money saved for fixing stuff that's broken then modd away but until then mod at your own risk. We don't drive honda's the Neon WILL break.

DoubtedNeon · Post by **DoubtedNeon** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:48 pm

I just put a mag intake on my car. I would personally say that its one of the better upgrades out there

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:38 pm

blue demon02 wrote:The Dad comment had me

It got me too.

I feel so old.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:44 pm

DoubtedNeon wrote:I just put a mag intake on my car. I would personally say that its one of the better upgrades out there

QFT!

...and I know a super-awesome-cool guy that has one for sale!

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 8:44 pm

Jerome Adams · Post by **Jerome Adams** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 9:12 pm

DoubtedNeon wrote:I just put a mag intake on my car. I would personally say that its one of the better upgrades out there

with actuator and butterflies?

I have one sitting in the garage waiting for a few months now...waiting for some $$$ to get the MSD window switch

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 12:54 am

I am considering a ghetto blaster...but I need to get my hands on an extra manifold for the runners

blue demon02 · Post by **blue demon02** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:40 am

Adionik wrote:I am considering a ghetto blaster...but I need to get my hands on an extra manifold for the runners

I say go for it when I had taken off the turbo and gone back to N/A I had a comp 400, ported head, TTI long tube, 2.5 pippig to a dynomax muffler and it actualy ran better with a ghetto blaster then with a R/Ternie intake manifold. There super easy to make and can be done so for around 100.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:26 am

Yeah I remember reading a post of yours about it flowing better than the custom manny. My thing is that it feels almost useless with the auto tranny

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:37 am

DoubtedNeon wrote:I just put a mag intake on my car. I would personally say that its one of the better upgrades out there

I wish I could get a mag intake for my car. Oh wait.

excon · Post by **excon** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:51 pm

Adionik wrote:Yeah I remember reading a post of yours about it flowing better than the custom manny. My thing is that it feels almost useless with the auto tranny

Does it flow TOO well for n/a motors? I know the INDY manifold flows too well and our motors will lose power.

I was considering a ghetto blaster, or homemade intake manifold, over the summer. I decided against it since it would be made of plastic and glue...

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:01 pm

Nothin' wrong with plastic and glue.

Just need patience and some tools.

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:09 pm

Apparently one of these works: