Oil Filter

[OB]

^ Indeed. I use it because I plan on making this engine last as long as possible. Call it piece of mind. Performance wise, changing weight is probably more effective than whether syn or conv is used. Neither are good for noticeable gains in power.

[NickKo]

Never heard of Champion labs, and if it's just Champion I didn't know they made Oil Filters.

Anyone have any comments on the quote from Jeff

I guess it would be the same Champion that makes our spark plugs.

What Jeff said about these oil filters ( the ST8 and ST16 ) is true..... I verified this with the same Chrysler Engineer that he spoke to.

- Nick

[MoparFreek]

Champion spark plugs is a division of Federal-Mogul,

Champion Labs is it's own company that makes various filtering products.

[heydockyle]

For now I just want the motor to last till summer, just want to get the oil looking better for now. Come summer I'll think about synthetic.

[darthroush]

If you are talking about the color of the oil, as long as it isn't milky, that would be the last of my concerns. Turning black means it is actually doing it's cleaning job. Sounds like you should get a UOA done.

[occasional demons]

Not sure what you mean by looking better. If you mean come drain time it is black, be happy, it is cleaning w/e gunk out of the engine. It is supposed to get dirty. Only when the internals are spotless, will it improve in looks.

If you really want it to look clean at 3000 miles switch to propane. I don't know the exact reasons other than less by products from combustion, but at drain time, our forklifts oil is just tinted a little. It is still clear. It has to go at least 500 hrs before it gets "dirty."

If you installed a filter with a small enough micron rating to catch every particle that is in the oil, the oil would not pass through.

[jonnymopar]

I've used the Viper spec oil filter for over 90,000 miles with good results. Panhead, I'm not sure why you had problems on your 2.2L. I used the 5.0L Mustang spec filter on two different 2.5L's, one of which made dozens of 4-hour trips with no problems at all. I actually noticed less oil pressure degradation over time with the larger filter. I've seen this same result using the larger filter on the Neon.

[Panhead]

I don't know, I think it was just the lack of oil. I had good compression across the board when I got the car. When I used the bigger filter, thats where I had problems after coming home from a 2 hr drive.

Thats why I just run the filter that was called for my Neon.

[occasional demons]

Lack of oil would have seized the pistons in the bore/spun bearings before it lost compression. Shit in a OHC head it prolly would have galled the cam to the head before any of the other stuff.

The one possibility would be the valves seizing in the guides, but then that is a slim chance, as with good seals, they don't see much oil anyways. The other stuff would fail first.

Now an old iron V8 with a ton of miles, well let's just say they have been known to run for 20 minutes through city traffic with no oil pressure. Thanks Dad.

[heydockyle]

After 1500 miles my 2gn oil isn't new looking, but it's like a brownish black. After like 250 miles, the oil in the car was pure black...

I changed it today with The SuperTech filter. Anyone know who makes it? It says made in USA.

[racer12306]

Champion labs

[MoparFreek]

Oil color is a poor indicator of the condition of the oil, to really find out whats going on with your oil you need to run a UOA.

[occasional demons]

As long as it is slippery rubbing it between your fingers, and doesn't feel gritty, I wouldn't worry. Use new oil as a base feel.
Have you ever pulled the VC off to see if there is excess gunk built up in the engine? (primarily if you are not the original owner, and do not know the previous service record). Unfortunately you can't see into the fill hole like the older engines.
If there is a fair amount of sludge/heavy varnish, that would contribute to early dirty oil. Poor ring seating would also, as excess blow by will carbon up the oil.

If there is a heavy amount of sludge, the best way to clean it is to keep changing the oil. If you go too aggressive, it could clog the pump pick up, or let some debris enter the pump causing failure. Other than disassembly, and cleaning the parts in a tank, there is no real safe way to remove it rapidly.

Varnish is less of a concern, as it will take a long time to dissolve, and is not likely to come off in a huge glob plugging something up. It is more of an indication that the engine has been run hot. IMO it is just ugly, and not a huge threat. The damage has already been done, if any. It usually only remains on non contact surfaces. Sludge can fall onto contact surfaces, along with any gritty particles that are trapped within.

[darthroush]

SuperTech oil filters are good for the price. You are going to want to keep it at about a max of 5,000 miles or so though. If you change your oil at that or less, I'd just run those.

+1 to what Frank said about the mfr.

[NickKo]

I changed it today with The SuperTech filter. Anyone know who makes it? It says made in USA.

Are you running the ST-16 ??

My local Wally-Mart always seems to be either low on stock or out of stock on those.

- Nick

[hul kogan]

I'm currently running my first over-sized filter on my '04. It is the Mobil 1 Viper spec filter. I decided to give it a shot and all seems to be going well thus far. To compensate for the bigger filter, I added a bit more oil during my change.

[heydockyle]

No I'm running the stock filter size. And oh yea on the champions labs making them. Durr.

OD, The head was spotless, because when I bought it there were 8 bent exhaust valves so I had the head off. The pistons had some carbon buildup on top, but nothing bad. The cylinder walls and that also looked good. It's supposed to be a ~60k motor.

[occasional demons]

well I suppose if you want to go overboard about filtering your oil, you could weld two AN fittings to the oil pan, and run lines to a separate pump pushing the oil through a double filter set up. Not sure where you would find room tho. I think you are going a bit OC on your oil. It will get dark no matter what you do. Unless you run non detergent oil, it is going to clean the "dirt" from everything it contacts. And GL finding a non detergent that has all the benefits.

Try running a little E85 for a few tanks, and see what that does for it. No more than 2 gallons to a full tank. It will help clean any carbon out.
Is you pcv system working properly? If it is not moving enough air, it may not be removing enough contaminants.

[heydockyle]

well I suppose if you want to go overboard about filtering your oil, you could weld two AN fittings to the oil pan, and run lines to a separate pump pushing the oil through a double filter set up. Not sure where you would find room tho. I think you are going a bit OC on your oil. It will get dark no matter what you do. Unless you run non detergent oil, it is going to clean the "dirt" from everything it contacts. And GL finding a non detergent that has all the benefits.

Try running a little E85 for a few tanks, and see what that does for it. No more than 2 gallons to a full tank. It will help clean any carbon out.
Is you pcv system working properly? If it is not moving enough air, it may not be removing enough contaminants.

Not running the second filter thing lol, not that anal about it. I'll run it into the ground and 2.4 it first.

To my knowledge it's working. I put all new hose and a new pcv valve on it. It's a 1st gen dohc so it's got the valve itself inline with the hose.

[occasional demons]

[BlackRoseRacing]

If you want to go with the large filter on a 2.0, use any filter that will interchange with 5281090. With this filter you will have an oil capacity of 5qts. The 8A filter in question is the larger Ford filter that can NOT be used on a 2.0, it can be used on the Turbo 2.4 as the oil filter adapter is sideways and does not point towards the ground.

[heydockyle]

Is quaker state part of Purolator?

[racer12306]

I don't believe so. I've always thought they were Frams, but by the picture on their website it doesn't look like a Fram.

[esteinmaier]

Go to the counter and ask for an oil filter for an 03 viper. You will get what you need, and you get to look like a baller.

[racer12306]

[NickKo]

Go to the counter and ask for an oil filter for an 03 viper. You will get what you need, and you get to look like a baller.

Actually, that IS a pretty good idea.
That will REALLY screw with the counter help at AutoStoned, PLUS they will know EXACTLY which filter to sell you, cause they won't have to cross-reference anything.

- Nick

[heydockyle]

Purolator 1999-2008 :
Bosch, Motorcraft, PowerFlo, ProLine, Purolator Premium Plus, Purolator Pure One, Quaker State



That was taken from this site. http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oi ... index.html

That is why I ask if it's part of them.

[occasional demons]

That was taken from this site. http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oi ... index.html.

"The page you tried to access does not exist on this server. This page may not exist due to the following reasons:
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Try this instead: http://www.knizefamily.net/minimopar/oi ... index.html

the period on the end = fail.

Edit: You have let that "To Be" thread get to you, eh? See, punctuation is BAD!

[heydockyle]

Dam punctuation lol. I fixed it

[Lefiol]

well I suppose if you want to go overboard about filtering your oil, you could weld two AN fittings to the oil pan, and run lines to a separate pump pushing the oil through a double filter set up. Not sure where you would find room tho. I think you are going a bit OC on your oil. It will get dark no matter what you do. Unless you run non detergent oil, it is going to clean the "dirt" from everything it contacts. And GL finding a non detergent that has all the benefits.

Try running a little E85 for a few tanks, and see what that does for it. No more than 2 gallons to a full tank. It will help clean any carbon out.
Is you pcv system working properly? If it is not moving enough air, it may not be removing enough contaminants.

I had mine professionally epoxied last year and I absolutely love it. I have a standard 2-car garage and if I recall, paid something like $1,800 with a lifetime warranty. If anything happens, at all, they come out and take care of it. So far, it's still perfect. Just sweep it every couple months, swiffer it, and it looks like brand new. Everyone that sees it is wowed and there's no doubt it adds to the resale value.

I also installed a Gladiator storage system and between those two upgrades, the garage has truly become another nice, usable room of our home versus a place you want to get out of quickly as soon as you step out of your car.

There is one major downfall, however - it's as slippery as hell when it's wet. I've almost killed myself a handful of times. We're extremely careful now when walking on it after the cars have recently been brought in after a rain.