Just ordered this today (Update with pics)

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:49 pm

sneakers O'toole wrote:BTW..i have seat belt covers on my rear seat belts because they say neon and they look fly.

Me too! But mine are the Dodge motor-sport ones with the RAM head.

Forest Green 2k · Post by **Forest Green 2k** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:18 pm

fixitmattman wrote:Oh no, the little oil puddle of death!

Ew, did you dredge up that motor from the bottom of a lake?

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:33 pm

Did you just say ew like a little girl who seen a worm?
And as far as seat belt covers they work great for a Guy who goes home super dirty from work everyday then has to wear nice clothes once in a while, simply remove them and no black streak across your nice new shirt.

The catch can.... Idk I might get one but not at that price

sneakers O'toole · Post by **sneakers O'toole** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:41 pm

ebay ftw in times of financial strain....or when you only wanna spend $25 for a $100 catch can

and my seat belt covers serve no purpose....pure ricer bling

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 3:49 pm

fixitmattman wrote:Oh no, the little oil puddle of death!

A little oil chilling out at the bottom of the IM is no big deal. It only ever concerned me once, that was the first time I saw it. Once I found out what it was from (ie not a major problem) I just let it be. Having a catch can will NOT prolong the life of the engine here....

only thing the catch can will do is make you faster by lightening your wallet and making you feel warm and squishy. That and the LOOK AT ME factor when you open the hood.

wow i don't even know if i should touch this subject. congrats for being the d-bag of the day.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:19 pm

Highway off-ramps/public roads are a poor place to "sample" handling ability and is just asking for trouble. Spirited driving fine, but anything more agressive take it to a track. FWIW it's fine at auto-x and lapping, you would tell with a smoke show if it weren't, kinda like the S2000's in the corners.....

As for the engine it's the original from my 2000. If you think that looks great you should see the car that it's in

It's been through hell and back, but I've yet to put it in a lake for any period of time to then dredge it out. Knock it if you like, I could care less. But it still runs great, even with all the km on it, and the little puddle of oil.

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Sun Apr 11, 2010 10:33 pm

I should have it by Wednesday 4/14, and installed shortly afterward.

I'll keep you all posted and have pics up after the install.

OB · Post by OB » Sun Apr 11, 2010 11:47 pm

At the rate that my leak free, 44K mile engine goes through oil, it almost has to be the PCV system passing more oil than is ideal. My gf's nearly identical '05 does exactly the same thing, at the same rate. The design of the PCV line is likely the culprit; gravity will always prevail. A catch can is an excellent idea on these engines, for many reasons. Better emissions, cleaner ignition, and more importantly, a way to monitor oil consumption.

This thread is hilarious BTW!

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:28 pm

^ Yes...yes it is

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:26 pm

fixitmattman wrote:Highway off-ramps/public roads are a poor place to "sample" handling ability and is just asking for trouble. Spirited driving fine, but anything more agressive take it to a track. FWIW it's fine at auto-x and lapping, you would tell with a smoke show if it weren't, kinda like the S2000's in the corners.....

The first time I discovered I was in need of a catch can was on an off ramp. I dusted crops for about a mile around

While I don't condone street racing AT ALL, I will use those nifty curved stretches of asphalt every chance I safely can. To me, safely is when I have them to myself. If I screw up (and I did once) I will only endanger me.

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Apr 12, 2010 10:41 pm

Oddly enough I never have had an issue with it when cornering, just had issues with straight line acceleration. Which is unnerving, because you think that something has just had a huge fail. But then it just clears up, and all is good.

But now with the IAC tied into the line with the PCV, it seems to have decreased the flow enough that my catch can rarely sees any oil. It is mainly just (nasty) water now. (As it should be). I think they still use V8 metering on the PCV. It flows way too much air for evacuating a 4 cylinder crankcase.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:13 am

occasional demons wrote:I think they still use V8 metering on the PCV. It flows way too much air for evacuating a 4 cylinder crankcase.

That could very well be. The turbo Dodges and some of the early 3.3s used the same PCV as the 318 V-8. Old habits die hard?

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:28 am

Hmmm, looking in the parts, I see something that my car never had.

Part Number: 4884040AA RESTRICTR PCV $3.20

From what I can tell with what I have to work with is the PCV valve in the neon was pretty much used on 2.0 and 2.4 engines.

4777240AD $9.80
Jeep
PCV VALVE, Jeep, TJ Series, Liberty 2.4L 2005 - 2006
Dodge/Chrysler
2.4l, sedan, convertible 2005 - 2006, neon 2001-2005, pt cruiser, w/o turbo 2002-2009

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 9:35 am

While the part # is unique to the 2.0/2.4, the actual spring rate and opening size is still questionalble. I think it still flows to much.

Post by **occasional demons** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 12:12 pm

Prolly why there is a restrictor available. I am just curious if it was something that came installed from the factory, or it is a TSB item.
Or is it something that just didn't get removed from the parts list.

Unfortunately the parts drawing does not exactly resemble the 2gn configuration.

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Tue Apr 13, 2010 2:39 pm

^ Do you have a link for that parts drawing?

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:23 pm

OK, so the install went well overall. I managed to break the PCV valve while removing the old tube, so I had to go to the dealer (shrieks in fear) to get a new one ($12) mistake.

I tried to originally mount it on the other battery tray bolt, but I had clearance problems with the throttle body, so alas, I put it on the bracket off of the core support near the radiator fan.

stdlystdmufn · Post by **stdlystdmufn** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:50 pm

you can get pcv valves at any auto parts store.

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:21 pm

Well, not at the Advance auto I went to.

They said it was a dealer only part. The Dodge dealer was closer than a Napa or Autozone.

To add a bit of humor, the front doors on the Advance had stickers saying to "challenge them with hard to find parts"...well they failed.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:30 pm

Last time I needed one the PCV was a dealer only part. I was actually surprised when napa had one this time around when I asked. Looks like the right part in the box too, although the dealer was a bit cheaper believe it or not.

stdlystdmufn · Post by **stdlystdmufn** » Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:15 pm

i worked at advance auto from like 05-06 and i used to always get my pcv from work we even had it in stock, and i just picked one up from autozone two weeks ago. autozone even has them out with the filters...i think the parts guy you guys worked with were retarded.
-on a lighter note they are only a couple dollars cheaper than the dealer. so you didn't get really screwed.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:11 am

to fix the oil through the pcv you have to remove the cylinder head and reinstall the oil restrictor....
While driving there is so much oil in the cylinder head that can not drain back fast enough that when you make right hand turns the oil pours out the pcv valve and get's sucked into the intake system.
Installing an oil seperator is a cheaper alternative to correct the problem than removing the cylinder head.....

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:05 am

Napa had pcv last time I went..

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 3:37 pm

BlackRoseRacing wrote:to fix the oil through the pcv you have to remove the cylinder head and reinstall the oil restrictor....
While driving there is so much oil in the cylinder head that can not drain back fast enough that when you make right hand turns the oil pours out the pcv valve and get's sucked into the intake system.
Installing an oil seperator is a cheaper alternative to correct the problem than removing the cylinder head.....

That's an old 1gn fix, not needed on a 2gn. When they switched to the new MLS gaskets they incorporated that restrictor into the gasket design. There is a thread covering this on the other .org, the P/N still shows up in the 2gn manual for some reason.

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:41 pm

I like the idea of it and the looks but im no sure I like the placement, looks outta place like its not supposed to be there

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:49 pm

Heres my "lowes" catch can like I mentioned earlier in the thread.

To the left of the P/S reservoir...

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:00 pm

LowNSlow wrote:Heres my "lowes" catch can like I mentioned earlier in the thread.

Very nice. I like it.

JEGS has one similar in design that I was looking at.

But I decided to spend a little more and get something with a "wow" factor that's still very functional.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:10 pm

I like it. Good choice

I will be coping you...sorry

nofrills05 · Post by **nofrills05** » Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:18 pm

^ Go for it