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TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:09 pm

Interesting. Does the ac have to work for you to get the title? If not, why not just leave it on so you can use the SRT ac parts when you do the swap?

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:13 pm

TheRandom1 wrote:Interesting. Does the ac have to work for you to get the title? If not, why not just leave it on so you can use the SRT ac parts when you do the swap?

the air doesnt have to work. they are looking for mechanical stuff not visual. and im still unsure about the swap. i dont know if im better off just building my 2.0l. nothing ever goes right so when i do the swap its probably going to be a huge bastard and just piss me off.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:16 pm

Well, consider this. If you build your 2.0, you won't be able to use your stock computer, which will make your car illegal in the eyes of the emissions stations. Assuming you have emissions laws out there, that is. So if you went with an SRT setup, you could use the stock PCM and get a stage 2 or 3 setup to handle any upgrades you may do. Still a "stock" setup, and still emissions legal, IIRC. So yes, it may be a bit of a PITA to get the SRT stuff in, but the end product will be totally legal and capable of plenty of power.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:21 pm

TheRandom1 wrote:Well, consider this. If you build your 2.0, you won't be able to use your stock computer, which will make your car illegal in the eyes of the emissions stations. Assuming you have emissions laws out there, that is. So if you went with an SRT setup, you could use the stock PCM and get a stage 2 or 3 setup to handle any upgrades you may do. Still a "stock" setup, and still emissions legal, IIRC. So yes, it may be a bit of a PITA to get the SRT stuff in, but the end product will be totally legal and capable of plenty of power.

we do have emissions out here

next year im moving to ohio to eliminate this issue

im still considering both options. but as of now, im going the srt route

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:23 pm

I would. I've seen how much tuning the guys running MS have to go through and it just sounds like a royal PITA. However, if you don't have emissions to worry about, an ASP turbo setup is absolutely the way to go. I do believe Erick will even help you tune over the phone to get you up and running and whatnot.

So if you're moving, perhaps just put your car back together so it's drivable, and gather what you need to build a stout 2.0 spare motor and swap over when you get the turbo and stuff.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:25 pm

Hey man, why don't you just find someone to "inspect" the car for you, so you don't have to worry about emissions?

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:29 pm

Also an option.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:36 pm

invujerry wrote:Hey man, why don't you just find someone to "inspect" the car for you, so you don't have to worry about emissions?

well i dont know anybody now

my dad had a buddy that did inspections but he retired and sold his building

plus, if you mean inspect

for the title, only certain certified garages can do that

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 2:51 pm

No, I meant for emissions. There is a guy over on neons.org his user name is 6sic6 or something like that. He lives not too far from you, he's got a supercharged neon. I'm certain his car wouldn't pass, get ahold of him for that.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:01 pm

Jerry what you are saying won't work.

When you fix an R-Title you have to have a special inspection place (For R-Titles) go over the entire car top to bottom. You have to have pictures of what you fixed, and receipts. You have to haul the car to said inspection place.

Idk where your dad takes his R-Title stuff to get inspected, but the dude we went to never took my car off the trailer. Looked at the pics, pushed around on the bumper stuff, and I was good to go.

I don't think you will fail the inspection with an srt swap, because it will still be factory, not haggard ass rigged shit.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:02 pm

Reading phail Kyle... Jerry was talking emissions.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:03 pm

heydockyle wrote:Jerry what you are saying won't work.

When you fix an R-Title you have to have a special inspection place (For R-Titles) go over the entire car top to bottom. You have to have pictures of what you fixed, and receipts. You have to haul the car to said inspection place.

Idk where your dad takes his R-Title stuff to get inspected, but the dude we went to never took my car off the trailer. Looked at the pics, pushed around on the bumper stuff, and I was good to go.

I don't think you will fail the inspection with an srt swap, because it will still be factory, not haggard ass rigged shit.

where did you go to??

invujerry wrote:No, I meant for emissions. There is a guy over on neons.org his user name is 6sic6 or something like that. He lives not too far from you, he's got a supercharged neon. I'm certain his car wouldn't pass, get ahold of him for that.

thanks for the info man!! ill have to get ahold of him !

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:03 pm

Oh. Well it still backs up my theory to go srt swap now.

And idk, I'll ask my dad. It was back some country ass road.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:05 pm

heydockyle wrote:Oh. Well it still backs up my theory to go srt swap now.

And idk, I'll ask my dad. It was back some country ass road.

i was told you didnt need pictures?

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:07 pm

Idk about where you are at, but for my car we had to have pictures. We are currently doing my gf's car and I've been taking pictures.

My car was done 2 years ago, so it might've changed. But I think you need pictures to show what you changed.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:11 pm

heydockyle wrote:Idk about where you are at, but for my car we had to have pictures. We are currently doing my gf's car and I've been taking pictures.

My car was done 2 years ago, so it might've changed. But I think you need pictures to show what you changed.

as far as i know it changed. you no longer have to take pictures because its getting physically inspected. it used to be you had to send pictures in to the state of the whole car and they would go by that, but the rules have changed. either way, i have pictures of us fixing it from my progress thread

UriahRR · Post by **UriahRR** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 7:53 pm

I've seriously been thinking about removing the ac, too, since 1. it only blows out hot air and I don't feel like recharging it, 2. When it's on, the car only has about 30 horsepower to work with (feels like) and that totally sucks, and 3. It looks ugly under the hood. I wish I had a functional roof scoop or something to cope with how hot the car gets... or a sunroof.

Oh well, I'll probably end up yanking it out anyway... just because once I have an idea, I'm never satisfied until the idea is fulfilled

No ac ftw! plus, it helps to have only like four months out of the year be really hot. I don't know how you guys in the rest of the country deal with this heat all year round.

Oh and btw, this is all you need to know for the ac removal.
viewtopic.php?t=18494&highlight=removal

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:12 pm

UriahRR wrote:I've seriously been thinking about removing the ac, too, since 1. it only blows out hot air and I don't feel like recharging it, 2. When it's on, the car only has about 30 horsepower to work with (feels like) and that totally sucks, and 3. It looks ugly under the hood. I wish I had a functional roof scoop or something to cope with how hot the car gets... or a sunroof.

Oh well, I'll probably end up yanking it out anyway... just because once I have an idea, I'm never satisfied until the idea is fulfilled

No ac ftw! plus, it helps to have only like four months out of the year be really hot. I don't know how you guys in the rest of the country deal with this heat all year round.

Oh and btw, this is all you need to know for the ac removal.
viewtopic.php?t=18494&highlight=removal

i apreciate the help man! some people just dont understand us not wanting ac

i read it makes 10-15 hp with it off

btw i wonder what the car would run like if it was underdriven and no ac !!!!!!!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:39 pm

It would probably only be as slow as molasses in May instead of December.

Technically it doesn't "make" any more horsepower with it off, you will still only have 130 at the crank. All it would do is make the motor work a little less hard to spin over, and the weight savings is neglible. You will almost definitely not notice any difference with it off than with it on the car.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:40 pm

XxWhiteNeonxX wrote:
UriahRR wrote:I've seriously been thinking about removing the ac, too, since 1. it only blows out hot air and I don't feel like recharging it, 2. When it's on, the car only has about 30 horsepower to work with (feels like) and that totally sucks, and 3. It looks ugly under the hood. I wish I had a functional roof scoop or something to cope with how hot the car gets... or a sunroof.

Oh well, I'll probably end up yanking it out anyway... just because once I have an idea, I'm never satisfied until the idea is fulfilled

No ac ftw! plus, it helps to have only like four months out of the year be really hot. I don't know how you guys in the rest of the country deal with this heat all year round.

Oh and btw, this is all you need to know for the ac removal.
viewtopic.php?t=18494&highlight=removal
i apreciate the help man! some people just dont understand us not wanting ac i read it makes 10-15 hp with it off

btw i wonder what the car would run like if it was underdriven and no ac !!!!!!!

Honestly guys, it's only worth 1HP or so. When the compressor isn't engaged, it's freewheeling, only losing about 1hp. Most of the gain comes from the weigh reduction of the pump and everything, which is at max 50lbs.

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:43 pm

invujerry wrote:
XxWhiteNeonxX wrote:
UriahRR wrote:I've seriously been thinking about removing the ac, too, since 1. it only blows out hot air and I don't feel like recharging it, 2. When it's on, the car only has about 30 horsepower to work with (feels like) and that totally sucks, and 3. It looks ugly under the hood. I wish I had a functional roof scoop or something to cope with how hot the car gets... or a sunroof.

Oh well, I'll probably end up yanking it out anyway... just because once I have an idea, I'm never satisfied until the idea is fulfilled

No ac ftw! plus, it helps to have only like four months out of the year be really hot. I don't know how you guys in the rest of the country deal with this heat all year round.

Oh and btw, this is all you need to know for the ac removal.
viewtopic.php?t=18494&highlight=removal
i apreciate the help man! some people just dont understand us not wanting ac i read it makes 10-15 hp with it off

btw i wonder what the car would run like if it was underdriven and no ac !!!!!!!
Honestly guys, it's only worth 1HP or so. When the compressor isn't engaged, it's freewheeling, only losing about 1hp. Most of the gain comes from the weigh reduction of the pump and everything, which is at max 50lbs.

i understand what you mean.

its still lingering in my mind

TheRandom1 wrote:It would probably only be as slow as molasses in May instead of December.

Technically it doesn't "make" any more horsepower with it off, you will still only have 130 at the crank. All it would do is make the motor work a little less hard to spin over, and the weight savings is neglible. You will almost definitely not notice any difference with it off than with it on the car.

ok fine, ill rephrase what i said. it free's up 10-15 hp

gtxtreme19 · Post by **gtxtreme19** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:54 pm

For me its not about the HP gain or the weightloss. Its the fact that its one less bracket on my 24 swap it will clean my engine bay a bit and I dont use my AC anyway.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 8:59 pm

You rephrased but its still bad information lol

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Mon Jul 05, 2010 9:01 pm

gtxtreme19 wrote:For me its not about the HP gain or the weightloss. Its the fact that its one less bracket on my 24 swap it will clean my engine bay a bit and I dont use my AC anyway.

UriahRR · Post by **UriahRR** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 1:17 am

^You sure like to

a lot.

?

For me, it's pretty much the fact that every time I turn it on it makes my car feel like it's power rating goes from a dirt bike level to a tricycle level just to blow hot air in my face. The car suddenly feels like an automatic, it can't even make it up hills. For that reason, and the fact that I should be doing an engine swap in the future, I'm going to remove mine just for something to occupy my mind while I save up for the swap.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 6:24 am

Somethings not right with your Neon... my 04 SXT had the same power with the a/c kicking full blast as it did with it off.

It's not a 10-15hp gain.. it's not shit for gains...lol.

If you want no a/c.. buy an EF honda with a swap so you can have that mad hp with no a/c and sweating your nut sack off.

Post by **racer12306** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 7:27 am

I notice a difference, but it isn't drastic. I just downshift one more gear and I'm good to go. Absolute worst case is I turn the A/C off for a minute and then turn it back on.

It gets hot around here. I like A/C. Even if it gained 50hp, I would keep my A/C

XxWhiteNeonxX · Post by **XxWhiteNeonxX** » Tue Jul 06, 2010 8:31 am

UriahRR wrote:^You sure like to a lot.

?

For me, it's pretty much the fact that every time I turn it on it makes my car feel like it's power rating goes from a dirt bike level to a tricycle level just to blow hot air in my face. The car suddenly feels like an automatic, it can't even make it up hills. For that reason, and the fact that I should be doing an engine swap in the future, I'm going to remove mine just for something to occupy my mind while I save up for the swap.

what can i say man? its an awsome face!

once again lol

Joey · Post by **Joey** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:32 pm

i have a 02 sxt and i took the a/c cause it didnt work... just bypass the a/c with a 3in shorter belt that the one you are using now it helped me so it will help you and yes i dino it before with a/c and when i took it of it gave me more torque so go for it..

UriahRR · Post by **UriahRR** » Tue Jul 20, 2010 10:35 pm

Hey, does the cold side of the fan still work when you remove the a/c or does it just blow out hot air no matter where you set it? If it still blows out cold and takes nothing from power, I see no use for the a/c.