Full Mag top end setup on 05 neon Questions

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Full Mag top end setup on 05 neon Questions

Post by a23dranger » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:58 pm

More of a 2.4 swap guy. So my 03-05 ngc and 2gn sohc knowledge is not up to par here. Anyways my brother just got an 05 sxt with the srt-design package and the 3.55 5spd.

i have a magnum top end setup sitting here from my 02 r/t and obx long tube header. He wants it on the car.

Head/cam/header install no issues. Intake maifold im on the wiring and what to use for the butterflys. theres stickies and a bunch of ways to do it. i want it to work as close to stock as possible. I was reading about someone using an afc with vtech controller to control the butterflys and be able to tune fuel trims to match. Is that possible to do and the best route to make it as close to stock. With opeing at idle to 3k then close 3-5k and open again above 5k??

Next is the car is an 05. Will putting the 02 mag head, 02 cam, obx long tube, 2.5 high flow cat and cat back on, cold air intake, agp dog bones make it throw any kind of codes on him or the computer limit the modifications we did? Will be using a stock t.b on the car also. Hes not going crazy.

He was set on an r/t but found this 05 and i have all my old r/t stuff and more for him to use. So im just making sure he can and wont have any issues.

Gunna try to swap in a 3.94 also when we find another one.

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Post by Johny » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:22 pm

The closest to stock you'll get, for the butterflies atleast, is with the rpm window switch and if you really want, the wot switch.

I just hooked up my r/t manifold with a harlan window switch and its working nicely. Although, there's a shit ton of wiring so if you need a diagram let me know, I'll show you how I did mine.

As far as codes, I don't think you'll be getting any codes unless you up the size of your TB. Then again, this is from reading, so in practice it may be different.
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Post by Jerome Adams » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:43 pm

use this one: viewtopic.php?t=44887

Why so persistent on being as close to stock as possible? It doesn't hurt anything to wire it up with just the MSD 8969 and not worry about WOT or the butterflies opening up at 0-3200.

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Post by occasional demons » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:58 am

Agreed. The closest thing to stock for operating the butterflies would be an '04 R/t PCM. But that won't pass emissions.

With the stock TB, he shouldn't have any issues.
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Post by a23dranger » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:47 am

Ok thanks guys.

We wil just do it the msd 8969 and wire it like harry did

And the computer wont freak or detune itself being an 05. Heard they are slightly picky.
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Post by occasional demons » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:43 am

They are a bit more picky, but the (Magnum) head is basically the same through '01 to '04. The TB will limit the air flow to stock levels, so it should be ok.
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Post by a23dranger » Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:36 pm

Ok. Sounds good. Now a buddy of mine at work has an safc with v tech controller. Could i use that to activate to secoundaires and then tune the car for best results. Cause he will have a long tube, highflow cat, cold air and then the mag top end setup. He may even throw in a crane cam 12 or comp400 while we do the top end swap And i have an aem wideband i can use to get it dialed in perfectly.
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Post by a23dranger » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:12 pm

anyones thoughts on that??^^^
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Post by Jerome Adams » Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:13 pm

I'm pretty sure others have done it....there is mention of it in this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=3048

but I haven't played with a safc so I can't answer personally. Maybe try the tuning forum?
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Post by a23dranger » Sat Jul 23, 2011 11:33 pm

was talkng to a few at a meet tonight and they told me that with an safc the ngc cars ecu will basically over ride my settings. we are just gunna run the msd setup enless i find like an 03-04 r/t ecu and bay wiring.
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Post by bone-yard-racing » Sun Jul 24, 2011 7:02 am

VAFC is how I do mag butterflys just easier in my opinion.

Stick with a Comp 400 or bigger the 12 is just a hair bigger than a mag cam its not really worth it. NGC cars idle really well with huge cams the 14 idles like stock.
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