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magnum intake rebuild

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:05 pm
by orangeneon05
Ok I couldn't find any information on the forum about a rebuild just for the magnum intake manifold so here goes.

I recently bought a mag intake manifold and I was wondering the.following things:

1. What is a good way to clean and shine the manifold to look more polished.
2. What is the part number for the gasket between the runners and the butterfly valve housing and the manifold and the block.
3. Are the fuel injectors the same from all the models of car. And which are better for a atx magnum set up.
4. Lastly what bolts are needed for the head I've heard that the bolts on the plasic manifold are too small. And I've counted 8 bolt holes on the mag intake are all of them used or just some.

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:08 pm
by Donkeypuncher
Any good aluminum polish works well to shine it up a bit, or you could sand it down and really polish it. The injectors are all the same for 2g neons, excluding the srt.

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:15 pm
by NickKo
I thought I once read that the 2001+ Neons had revised injectors, with a slightly different flow rate ?? :-k The change had something to do with the switch to the 58PSI fuel pressure regulator, for the 2001+ model year, If I Recall Correctly.

Hopefully, one of the other knowledgeable folks ( Bill, or John ? ) can confirm this.



- Nick

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:26 pm
by orangeneon05
thanks on the polish idea any clue on sand paper grits to get a good shine.

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:31 pm
by occasional demons
From what I have read '98 and up injectors are the same...

But I have also wondered about the pressure difference. Unless the PCM's are able to manage that with pulsewidths.

There should be a PN list for the Mag IM parts in the PN section.

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:41 pm
by orangeneon05
thanks ill take a look

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 10:48 pm
by occasional demons
viewtopic.php?t=29860

Just in case. :lol:

Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:01 pm
by orangeneon05
that link is unclear and confusing to me.

here are a couple other links that will help for part #'s

viewtopic.php?t=51393

viewtopic.php?t=11858&highlight=gasket+part+number

viewtopic.php?p=136906#136906

any other help will be great.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:11 pm
by Danteneon
orangeneon05 wrote:thanks on the polish idea any clue on sand paper grits to get a good shine.
To get the intake to shine, you will need to make the manifold smooth first. Start with 80 grit and work your way up to 2000. You will want to get a Dremel for grinding down the casting marks and extra flashing. After that, it's time to start polishing.

Expect to spend around 60 hours on this to make it look like mine. Most people give up long before that point though.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:49 pm
by orangeneon05
ill put the time in because i plan to put it on around august. and if you dremel down the extra metal around the injectors wont that make the intake less stable. i can understand the stamping marks because the are not there for structure.

let me know what you think.

Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:08 pm
by occasional demons
orangeneon05 wrote: and if you dremel down the extra metal around the injectors wont that make the intake less stable.

let me know what you think.
Do you mean the webs on the outside of the runners?

As long as you use the bottom bending strut, it should be fine. It is under $12 at the dealer if you don't have one. A few Magnum IMs have cracked recently, and the strut was not used. These were non modified also.

viewtopic.php?t=60530

Remove the zero from the beginning of the PN to be correct. Some parts ppl aren't smart enough, and will tell you it is not the correct number.

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:00 am
by orangeneon05
yea the webs on the top of the runners. and ill look for that bracket

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:19 pm
by Danteneon
You don't need to remove all of the webbing. There is a lot of extra material that can be removed safely though.

Here are some pics I took during the grinding stage.

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What they look like before polishing...note the excess removed near the bolt holes.

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It's a good idea to keep the material intact under the runners.

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What the final product can look like...

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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:24 pm
by orangeneon05
thanks dante thats what i was looking for that last one where you can see the top webs. i thought that was alot of structural metal to remove and be no bueno if you did remove it. do you coat it with anything after all the sanding besides polish so it wont rust or will it be rust free with out maintenance.

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:45 pm
by Danteneon
Well, it's aluminum, so no worries about rust :lol:

I did not coat it with anything. I have to keep it clean and keep it polished to maintain the finish. If it was good enough to my eyes, I would have it powdercoated clear. Alas, it isn't good enough for my OCD.

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:15 pm
by orangeneon05
haha and thats all the way to 2000 grit

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:18 pm
by Danteneon
Beyond actually. Once I was done with the paper, I started with rubbing compound, went to polishing compound, then finished with dry buffing. It's just that some places need more base work before I call it good.

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:26 pm
by orangeneon05
gotcha. so i called and got a PN for the gaskets can anyone confirm that this is two gaskets or just one.

PN=4648623AB

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:35 pm
by Danteneon
That is the part number for the gasket to the head. It is an one piece gasket, unlike the non Magnum manifold.

4648623AB gasket for the runners to the head (need 1)

4884067AB gasket that goes inbetween plenum & butterflies / runners
(need 1)

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:55 pm
by orangeneon05
bingo bango just what i need. time to get a shopping list together and buy parts. thanks for all our help man.

if i put a picture up of the injector gaskets is there any way you can tell if they are bad and what this part is that i dont know if i need.

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:31 pm
by occasional demons
The injector o rings are dirt cheap. May as well just put new ones on. You can get them anywhere. Tho if you can find the blue ones, they seem to be a better quality. IDK what brand they are tho. :(

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:12 pm
by orangeneon05
what about the plastic tips after the o rings.

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:05 pm
by occasional demons
Anything other than the o rings is part of the injector.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:27 am
by orangeneon05
ok even though they came off.....

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:28 am
by occasional demons
Got any way to post pics?

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 4:21 am
by orangeneon05
yea i do i just wanted to see before i did it because im a tiny bit lazy...... hahah

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:18 am
by occasional demons
Just want to be sure we are on the same page. Hard to know exactly if we are thinking of the same thing. :)

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 7:21 am
by INVUJerry
If you buy a Felpro gasket for the rt intake manifold it includes the plenum gasket.

Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:39 am
by orangeneon05
INVUJerry wrote:If you buy a Felpro gasket for the rt intake manifold it includes the plenum gasket.
do you have a part number or a website to order it.