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no spark

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:18 am
by oldyellerrt
Long story short, I had no compression. I installed a different engine, and added a grass gasket, timing belt, water pump, and tensioner. After installing the engine, but before putting on the alternator, belts, motor mounts, radiator and condenser, I tried starting it. It wouldn't, and I got a p0340 fault. Did some checking, found out I had the coil pack wire, and cam position wire crossed. I put them where they belong, and it started right up. I only let it run for about 5 seconds. So I finish installing everything, now it won't start. No faults, only thing I can find is I have no spark! It's an 02 sxt auto

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:57 am
by occasional demons
Do you have power at the center wire on the coil connector?

All the fuses good in the PDC?

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:41 pm
by Hudson_Neon
make sure you have all your grounds connected. i had that issue when i replaced my engine in my duster

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 5:56 pm
by oldyellerrt
Yes, I have power to the center wire, for a second or 2, then it goes out. I tried a different coil pack, didn't help

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:04 pm
by Hudson_Neon
sounds like an ASD issue

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:07 pm
by oldyellerrt
Where is that, and what do I do

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 6:24 pm
by oldyellerrt
I tried 2 relays from my Srt4 in the asd relay spot, still nothing

Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:03 pm
by occasional demons
Just a slight possibility, is the small black capacitor plugged in on the back of the head? Driver side. If it is, unplug it. They have been known to short to ground.

Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:21 am
by Hudson_Neon
here's a list of everything that's listed in the FSM under "engine cranks does not start"

POSSIBLE CAUSES

NO START PRE-TEST
POWERTRAIN FUSES OPEN
FUEL PRESSURE OUT OF SPECS
RESTRICTED FUEL SUPPLY LINE
FUEL PUMP INLET STRAINER PLUGGED
FUEL PUMP MODULE
FUEL PUMP RELAY FUSED B+ CIRCUIT
FUEL PUMP RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN
FUEL PUMP RELAY
FUEL PUMP GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN/HIGH RESISTANCE
FUEL PUMP MODULE
5 VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT
CKP SENSOR SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN
CKP SENSOR SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED GROUND
CKP SENSOR SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE
CKP SENSOR SIGNAL SHORTED TO 5 VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT
SENSOR GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN
ASD RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT
CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR
IGNITION COIL
IGNITION COIL DRIVER CIRCUIT OPEN
IGNITION COIL DRIVER CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
PCM - COIL
PCM - CKP SENSOR SIGNAL

now i know you don't have a DRBIII and this is technically out of a NGC FSM, but this should help a little. here's the steps to fix it. i put a line between each step to seperate them and a double line between each test that is relevant. notice at the end it says to do a powertrain test, which says to do a trans test, which says to do a powertrain test, which says to do a trans test, etc. use common sense... you don't have to keep going in circles

TEST

1 Note: The following list of items must be checked before continuing with
any no start tests.
The battery must be fully charged and in good condition. A low charged battery may
produce invalid test results. If the battery is low, charge the battery and then attempt
to start the vehicle by cranking the engine for 15 seconds, 3 consecutive times.
This will allow any DTC’s to set that may have been erased due to a dead battery.
Ensure the Powers and Ground to the PCM are ok.
Make sure the PCM communicates with the DRBIIIt and that there are no DTC’s
stored in the PCM memory. If the PCM reports a No Response condition, refer to the
Communication category for the proper tests.
Read the PCM DTC’s with the DRBIIIt. If any DTC’s are present, they must be
repaired before continuing with any other No Start diagnostic tests. Refer to the
Symptom list for the related P-code that is reported by the PCM.
Ensure that the PCI bus is functional. Attempt to communicate with the Instrument
Cluster and SKIM, If you are unable to establish communicate refer to the
Communication category for the proper symptoms.
The Sentry Key Immobilizer System must be operating properly. Check for proper
communication with the DRBIIIt and check for DTC’s that may be stored in the
Sentry Key Immobilizer Module (SKIM). repair the DTC(s) before continuing.
If no DTC’s are found, using the DRBIIIt select Clear PCM (Batt Disconnect).
Crank the engine several times. Using the DRBIIIt, read DTC’s. If a DTC is present
perform the DTC diagnostics before continuing.
Were any problems found?

Yes ! Repair as necessary.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 2

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2 Check for any open fuses in the PDC or Fuse Block that may be related to the No
Start condition.
Are any of the fuses open?

Yes ! Using the wiring diagram/schematic as a guide, inspect the
wiring and connectors, repair as necessary. Replace the Fuse.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 3

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3 Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, actuate the ASD Fuel System test.
Note: It may be necessary to use a mechanics stethoscope in the next step.
Listen for fuel pump operation at the fuel tank.
Does the Fuel Pump operate?

Yes ! Go To 4

No ! Go To 24
Caution: Stop All Actuations.

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4 NOTE: Repeat the following test at each Ignition wire. If spark is not
present or is weak on only one or two Ignition wires, the problem may be
the Ignition wire. Inspect all Ignition wires for proper operation.
Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the #1 Ignition wire.
Connect a spark plug tester to the end of the Ignition wire.
While cranking the engine, observe the spark tester.
Is spark present?

Yes ! Go To 5

No ! Go To 9

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5 Turn the ignition off.
WARNING: The fuel system is under a constant pressure even with the
engine off. Before testing or servicing any fuel system hose, fitting or line,
the fuel system pressure must be released.
Install a fuel pressure gauge.
Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, actuate the ASD Fuel System test and observe the fuel pressure
gauge.
NOTE: Fuel pressure specification is 400 kPa +/- 34 kPa (58 psi +/- 5 psi).
Choose a conclusion that best matches your fuel pressure reading.

Below Specification
Go To 6

Within Specification
Go To 8
Above Specification
Replace the fuel filter/fuel pressure regulator.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.
Caution: Stop All Actuations.

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6 Turn the ignition off.
WARNING: The fuel system is under a constant pressure even with the
engine off. Before testing or servicing any fuel system hose, fitting or line,
the fuel system pressure must be released.
Raise vehicle on hoist, and disconnect the fuel pressure line at the fuel pump module.
Install special 5/16 fuel line adapter tool #6539 between the disconnected fuel line
and the fuel pump module.
Attach a fuel pressure test gauge to the T fitting on the tool #6539
Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, actuate the ASD Fuel System test and observe the fuel pressure
gauge.
NOTE: Fuel pressure specification is 400 KPa +/- 34 KPa (58 psi +/- 5 psi).
Is the fuel pressure within specification now?

Yes ! Repair/replace fuel supply line as necessary.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 7
Caution: Stop All Actuations.

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7 Turn the ignition off.
WARNING: The fuel system is under a constant pressure even with the
engine off. Before testing or servicing any fuel system hose,fitting or line,
the fuel system pressure must be released.
Remove the Fuel Pump Module and inspect the Fuel Inlet Strainer.
Is the Fuel Inlet Strainer plugged?

Yes ! Replace the Fuel Pump Inlet Strainer.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Replace the Fuel Pump Module.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

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8 The following items need to be checked as a possible cause for a no start condition.
Refer to any Technical Service Bulletins that may apply to the symptom.
The spark plugs must be free from fuel, oil, coolant and/or any foreign material or
deposits.
The fuel must be free from contamination.
The exhaust may be free from restrictions.
The engine compression must be within specifications.
The engine valve timing must be within specifications.
The engine must be free from vacuum leaks.
Were any of the above conditions found?

Yes ! Repair as necessary.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Test Complete.

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9 Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt in Sensors, select the RPM parameter.
While cranking the engine monitor the RPM parameter.
Does the DRBIIIt display a RPM reading greater than 50 RPM and steady?

Yes ! Go To 10

No ! Go To 15

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10 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the Ignition Coil harness connector.
Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, actuate the ASD Relay.
Using a 12-volt test light connected to ground, probe the ASD Relay Output circuit in
the Ignition Coil harness connector.
Does the test light illuminate brightly?

Yes ! Go To 11

No ! Repair the ASD Relay Output circuit.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

11 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the Ignition Coil harness connector.
Using a 12-volt test light connected to 12-volts, probe the Ignition Coil Driver circuit.
Crank the engine for 5 second while observing the test light.
Does the test light blink/flicker?

Yes ! Replace the Ignition Coil.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 12

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12 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the Ignition Coil harness connector.
Disconnect the PCM harness connector.
Measure the resistance of the Ignition Coil driver circuit between the Ignition Coil
harness connector and the PCM harness connector.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?

Yes ! Go To 13

No ! Repair the Ignition Coil driver circuit for an open.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

13 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the Ignition Coil harness connector.
Disconnect the PCM harness connector.
Measure the resistance between ground and the Ignition Coil driver circuit in the
Ignition Coil harness connector.
Is the resistance below 100k ohms?

Yes ! Repair the Ignition Coil driver circuit for a short to ground.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 14

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14 If there are no possible causes remaining, view repair.

Repair
Replace and program the Powertrain Control Module in accordance
with the Service Information.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

15 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Turn the ignition on.
Measure the voltage of the 5 Volt Supply circuit in the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Is the voltage between 4.8 and 5.2 volts?

Yes ! Go To 16

No ! Repair the 5 Volt Supply circuit.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

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16 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Turn the ignition on.
Measure the voltage of the CKP Sensor Signal circuit in the CKP Sensor harness
connector.
Is the voltage between 4.5 and 5.0 volts?

Yes ! Go To 17

No ! Go To 19

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17 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Measure the resistance between ground and the Sensor Ground circuit at the CKP
Sensor harness connector.
Is the resistance below 100 ohms?

Yes ! Go To 18

No ! Repair the Sensor Ground circuit for an open.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

18 NOTE: Inspect the slots on the crank, tone wheel, for damage. If a problem
is found repair as necessary.
If there are no possible causes remaining, view repair.

Repair
Replace the Crankshaft Position Sensor.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

19 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Disconnect the PCM harness connectors.
Measure the resistance of the CKP Sensor Signal circuit from the CKP Sensor
harness connector to the PCM harness connector.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?

Yes ! Go To 20

No ! Repair the CKP Sensor Signal circuit for an open.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

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20 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Measure the resistance between ground and the CKP Sensor Signal circuit at the
CKP Sensor harness connector.
Is the resistance below 100 ohms?

Yes ! Repair the CKP Sensor Signal circuit for a short to ground.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 21

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21 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Turn the ignition on.
Measure the voltage of the CKP Sensor Signal circuit in the CKP Sensor harness
connector.
Is the voltage above 4.7 volts?

Yes ! Repair the CKP Sensor Signal circuit for a short to battery
voltage.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 22

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22 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Disconnect the PCM harness connector(s).
Measure the resistance between the CKP Sensor Signal circuit and the 5 Volt Supply
circuit in the CKP Sensor harness connector.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?

Yes ! Repair the CKP Sensor Signal circuit shorted to the 5 Volt Supply
circuit.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Go To 23

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23 If there are no possible causes remaining, view repair.

Repair
Replace and program the Powertrain Control Module in accordance
with the Service Information.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

24 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the fuel pump module harness connector.
Turn the ignition on.
With the DRBIIIt, actuate the ASD Fuel System test.
Using a 12 volt test light connected to ground, probe the Fuel Pump Relay Output
circuit at the Fuel Pump Module harness connector.
Does the test light illuminate brightly?

Yes ! Go To 25

No ! Go To 27
Caution: Stop All Actuations.

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25 Turn the ignition off.
Disconnect the Fuel Pump Module harness connector.
Note: Check connectors - It is critical that the connector is free from any
signs of corrosion or deformities - Clean/repair as necessary.
Using a test light connected to battery voltage, probe the Fuel Pump ground circuit
at the Fuel Pump Module harness connector.
Does the test light illuminate brightly?

Yes ! Go To 26

No ! Repair the open/high resistance in the fuel pump ground circuit.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

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26 If there are no possible causes remaining, view repair.

Repair
Replace the Fuel Pump Module.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________

27 Turn the ignition off.
Remove the Fuel Pump Relay from the PDC.
With a 12 volt test light connected to ground, probe the Fuel Pump Relay Fused B+
circuit at the PDC.
Does the test light illuminate?

Yes ! Go To 28

No ! Repair the Fuel Pump Relay Fused B+ circuit. Check for open fuse
in the PDC.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

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28 Turn the ignition off.
Remove the Fuel Pump Relay from the PDC.
Disconnect the Fuel Pump Module harness connector.
NOTE: Check connectors - It is critical that the connector is free from any
signs of corrosion or deformities
Measure the resistance of the Fuel Pump Relay Output circuit from the relay
connector to the fuel pump module connector.
Is the resistance below 5.0 ohms?

Yes ! Replace the Fuel Pump Relay.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

No ! Repair the open fuel pump relay output circuit.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1.

_______________________________________________________
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POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST VER - 1 APPLICABILITY

1. NOTE: After completing the Powertrain Verification Test the Transmission Verification Test must be performed.
2. NOTE: If the PCM has been replace and the vehicle is equipped with a 2.4L Turbo,
Manual Transmission, the Pinion Factor MUST be programmed into the PCM.
Failure to do so will cause the speedometer to become inoperative or inaccurate.
3. NOTE: If the PCM has been replaced and the correct VIN and mileage have not
been programmed, a DTC will be set in the ABS Module, Airbag Module and the
SKIM.
4. NOTE: If the vehicle is equipped with a Sentry Key Immobilizer System, Secret Key
data must be updated. Refer to the Service Information for the PCM, SKIM and the
Transponder (ignition key) for programming information.
5. Inspect the vehicle to ensure that all components related to the repair are connected properly.
6. Inspect the engine oil for fuel contamination. Replace the oil and filter as necessary.
7. Attempt to start the engine.
8. If the No Start condition is still present, refer to the symptom list and perform the diagnostic
testing as necessary. refer to and Technical Service Bulletins that may apply.
9. Run the engine for one warm-up cycle to verify operation.
10. With the DRBIIIt, confirm that no DTCs or Secondary Indicators are present and that all
components are functioning properly.
11. If a DTC is present, refer to the appropriate category and select the corresponding symptom.
Are any DTCs present?

Yes ! Repair is not complete, refer to appropriate symptom.

No ! Repair is complete.

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40/41TE (NGC) TRANSMISSION VERIFICATION TEST - VER 1 APPLICABILITY

1. NOTE: After completion of the Transmission Verification Test, the Powertrain Verification Test must be performed. Refer to the Powertrain Category.
2. Connect the DRBIIIt to the Data Link Connector (DLC).
3. Reconnect any disconnected components.
4. With the DRBIIIt, erase all Transmission DTC’s, also erase the PCM DTC’s.
5. Perform *PRNDL FAULT CLEARING PROCEDURE after completion of repairs for P0706
CHECK SHIFTER SIGNAL.
6. With the DRBIII, display Transmission Temperature. Start and run the engine until the
Transmission Temperature is HOT, above 43° C or 110° F.
7. Check the transmission fluid and adjust if necessary. Refer to the Service Information for the
Fluid Fill procedure.
8. NOTE: If the Transmission Control Module or Torque Converter has been replaced,
or if the Transmission has been repaired or replaced, it is necessary to perform the
DRBIIIt Quick Learn Procedure and reset the (Pinion Factor(.
9. Road test the vehicle. With the DRBIIIt, monitor the engine RPM. Make 15 to 20 1-2, 2-3,
3-4 upshifts. Perform these shifts from a standing start to 45 MPH with a constant throttle
opening of 20 to 25 degrees.
10. Below 25 MPH, make 5 to 8 wide open throttle kickdowns to 1st gear. Allow at least 5
seconds each in 2nd and 3rd gear between each kickdown.
11. For a specific DTC, drive the vehicle to the Symptom’s When Monitored/When Set
conditions to verify the DTC is repaired.
12. If equipped with AutoStickt, upshift and downshift several times using the AutoStickt
feature during the road test.
13. NOTE: Use the EATX OBDII task manager to run Good Trip time in each gear, this
will confirm the repair and to ensure that the DTC has not re-matured.
14. Check for Diagnostic Trouble Codes (DTC’s) during the road test. If a DTC sets during the
road test , return to the Symptom list and perform the appropriate symptom.
15. NOTE: Erase P0700 DTC in the PCM to turn the MIL light off after making
transmission repairs.
Were there any Diagnostic Trouble Codes set during the road test?

Yes ! Repair is not complete, refer to the appropriate symptom.

No ! Repair is complete.




ps, this took a long ass time. enjoy!