4 Speed Automatic Shift Mod (FREE)

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4 Speed Automatic Shift Mod (FREE)

Post by BlackRoseRacing » Sun Jul 23, 2006 9:44 am

Found this over at a dodge stratus website, I figured this would be good for those who want to do something with there 4speed :)
http://www.paysonarizona.net/MyProjects ... entMod.htm

And here is a link to a total discussion about the mod...
http://www.stratusphere.net/forums/More ... 15818.html

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Post by caustic neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 12:21 pm

man i just read all 11 pages of that and now im thinkin about trying it.
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Post by LC_Neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:17 pm

That's very interesting. I might try it myself. Didn't knew stratus have the same transmission tha the neons :lol:

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Post by caustic neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:25 pm

the whole thing aout the smooth shift makes perfict sence
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Post by BlackRoseRacing » Sun Jul 23, 2006 2:45 pm

stratus's even used the same 2.0 as a neon, and yes the trani's are the same....

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Post by JustANeon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:47 pm

Yeaht he Torque Management mod is a popular mod on the cloudcars.

I am a moderator on 2GSS and many people have done it and love it
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Post by caustic neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:53 pm

any bad things about it
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Post by JustANeon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:38 pm

nothing bad, some have just cut the wires and others have set up a switch so they can have a comfort and sport mode kind of deal
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Post by caustic neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:40 pm

what do you think is a better way of doing this?
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Post by JustANeon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:47 pm

I like the functionality of the switch
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Post by LC_Neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:50 pm

yup.. from what i've read the switch is better so you don't have to be in the "sport" mode all the time, as they said excessive use may stress out some components. I'd say best way is to do the switch and use this only when you race.

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Post by caustic neon » Sun Jul 23, 2006 4:55 pm

i think im gona try the switch thing now i just need a place to put it.
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Post by boostinss » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:51 pm

well this really interestests me in doing this,...one problem is im still under that 36,000 mile bs....haha..

well this would probably void warenty correct??

and what i got out of this is cut the yellow/green wire....and wire in a switch to turn it on and off, or just leave it cut for it to be off all the time??

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Post by TNK » Wed Sep 13, 2006 4:15 am

i did the hlfahemi shift modon my 3 speed... and itwasnt worth the trouble....
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Post by boostinss » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:56 am

did u notice ne thing better?

how do i know if i have a 4spd or 3spd
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Post by ACHEAPSHOT » Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:47 am

Yours is an 05, it's definitely 4 speed.
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Post by TNK » Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:28 pm

my shift selector goes
P
R
N
D
2
1

a 4 speed IIRC goes
P
R
N
D
3
1

i noticed a liottle bit of a difference on my 3 speed, BUT it was nothign like the site claimed "tire chirping 102 shifts" bullshit.
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Post by boostinss » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:51 am

anyone else do this that can make me feel better about cutting a wire....?
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Post by SolarYNeon » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:55 am

I dont know I read that whole forum a while ago, and alot of people were saying that the car was having trouble down shifting and stuff after they did that mad :cry:

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Post by daaboots » Thu Sep 14, 2006 12:48 pm

Anybody try this yet on a 03+ 2gn??
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Post by Panhead » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:36 pm

im gona try this on my 03 but can i turn on and off during when i drive? or the car has to be at complete stop?
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Post by boostinss » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:35 pm

yeah i had the same question ^^^


and would this void warrenty?
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Post by Marthby » Fri Sep 15, 2006 12:39 am

05neonsxt wrote:yeah i had the same question ^^^


and would this void warrenty?
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Post by boostinss » Fri Sep 15, 2006 7:40 am

lol yeah ikinda thought that..
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Post by DRO » Fri Sep 15, 2006 2:16 pm

I was gonna try this out but I can't find the freakin wire. Can anyone point me in the right direction, maybe even with a pic or two.
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Post by TheRandom1 » Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:10 pm

Let me know how it works for you.

Is the wire they're talking about under the hood or in the dash?
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Post by StreetEviL » Sat Feb 24, 2007 3:37 am

Yea, I tried to do this mod like a month ago and couldn't find the wire. I looked at EVERY wire coming off my 05' SXT computer harness. I guess I can try to get on ALLDATA and see what I can stur up, but if anyone knows anything, any help would be appreciated.
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Post by t vago » Sat Mar 03, 2007 7:08 am

This mod won't work with an NGC. You have to have the traditional PCM/TCM setup, because the wire in question basically carries a torque request sense signal from the TCM to the PCM, asking the PCM to reduce power momentarily while the TCM shifts a gear. The NGC internalizes this signal,

BTW, I was one of the guys who originally thought up this mod on 2GSS.org, and it travelled to Stratusphere from there. It does provide a noticeable improvement in shift, but I would not describe it as earthshattering or anything.

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Post by badgett » Thu Sep 13, 2007 2:55 pm

Couldn't you do the same thing with the VSS wire to stop the speed limiter? I did this on my Ford ZX2 and it worked. No speedometer when switched on but it doesn't stop at 105 mph anymore. Got up to 120 with another car behind me telling me how fast I was going.
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Post by esteinmaier » Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:25 pm

Yes. Wire the VSS signal wire to a switch, and when the circuit is opened, PCM doesn't know the vehicle speed, therefore can't govern it.
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