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i just install my maddog 80% redux 1 inch drop shifter it seems to take more muscle to get it in and out of gear is this normal with the short throw? i dont mind it just wanna make sure its supposed to be this way Lol

This is the way I would look at it...

A shorter throw shifter as well as the rod height reduction has a smaller lever than a standard shifter. So there would be less mechanical advantage to help with the short throw shifter.

Less mechanical advantage = more effort needed.

Thats the way I would see it. Don't know if it's right or not

no that sounds right and makes sense if you think about it.
for a rusted bolt...do u take a short handled wrench or a really long one?

LOL, after driving my '04 Dodge Ram for 3 years the shift throw on a stock Neon shifter feels short to me. I just went with Booger Bushing on my stock shifter and installed a new shift knob that didn't stick up as far as the stock one and it feels real nice now.

You got it exactly right Frankie. Almost any shifter uses mechanical advantage. Also known as the 'fulcrum' or 'teeter totter' effect, the shifter uses two shafts; one on either side of a pivot point. Raising the pivot point and lowering the upper shaft will decrease the throw of the shifter when measured from the tip of the upper shaft (at the knob, where it counts). Essentially, this allows more linkage movement with less input movement. The opposite is also true.

A good STS will maintain the OEM linkage geometry as well, preventing bindage and future issues. This is accomplished by attaching the linkage to the shift levers at the same point as stock. If the new levers are higher than the linkage, the linkage is forced to bend a bit and shift quality and effectiveness may suffer.

yeah i osund dumb but just wanted ot check lol it makes perfect sence now :-p thanks guys i feel real (dumb) smart lol

Wow, the last person to call me Frankie was my grandfather when he was alive and that was 8 years ago.

Sorry to hear about that frank. I have a habit of using nicknames and abbreviations for peoples names. Frankie has a nice ring to it, dont you think?

fuzzy - no such thing as a stupid question in this community. Glad we could help

It's all good. He passed away a while ago like I said. One thing I do wish is that he was alive to see me get married. We did a lot of stuff when I was little.

80% STS Owns all of yous!!!!!!!!

Mine is very easy to shift and makes driving more enjoyable. I recently went test driving of new cars and their shifters alone made me hate driving them. I barely have to move mine and it goes right into gear.

racer12306 wrote: Less mechanical advantage = more effort needed.

Same amount of work... just more force over shorter distance. So it appears to take more effort to put into gear.

More force is more work in human terms

OB wrote:More force is more work in human terms

Lol good thing im an andriod

Fuzzyneon wrote:i just install my maddog 80% redux 1 inch drop shifter it seems to take more muscle to get it in and out of gear is this normal with the short throw? i dont mind it just wanna make sure its supposed to be this way Lol

it will be like that for a little while until you get use to it i too have the 80% 1in shorter with booger bushings and cradle bushing and mine was hard as hell to get in to gear and some times i would miss the gear when i was tryin to speed shift but now i have no problem it smooth shifting it just takes some getting use to.

My STS owns all
JohhnyM bushings, Boogers, and a DIY STS
Speed shifting does suck, sometimes I cant grab 2nd gear
Launch in 1st......
Grind 2nd and come to a slow roll........

nate-00neon wrote:no that sounds right and makes sense if you think about it.
for a rusted bolt...do u take a short handled wrench or a really long one?

Torches, penetrating oil, and impact gun. Oh, wait a minute that isn't good for the tranny!

occasional demons wrote:

nate-00neon wrote:no that sounds right and makes sense if you think about it.
for a rusted bolt...do u take a short handled wrench or a really long one?

Torches, penetrating oil, and impact gun. Oh, wait a minute that isn't good for the tranny!

lol thats not what i was talking about...that was just an example for where you need leverage. had nothing to do with the tranny lol

did you reset the shift cable

reset the shift cable? never heard of that.

Be careful guys, the STS makes you want to shift harder causing more wear on the synchronizers.

racer12306 wrote:reset the shift cable? never heard of that.

after you put the shifter in. put it in 3rd or 4th then on the driver side under the shifter base theres a hex head bolt you loosen it and let the cable/rod adjust it self then tighten the bolt back

I thought that was more for adhusting the neutral gate.....

I know I did not reset the cable when I put my current shifter in. It's just an OEM SRT shifter.

im getting the mopar sts for my 2000 neon will i need to reset teh cable?

I doubt it. What you can do is check the how to's ( i think there is one, probably by OB) and see whats in there.

okay
i looked and i found it, thanks a lot

[quote="bone-yard-racing"]Be careful guys, the STS makes you want to shift harder causing more wear on the synchronizers.[/quote
Yeah but i still baby my car =D]

Ive played with the adjustment of the left linkage as well, but found minimal difference in shift feel and or operation. I made adjustments in both 1st and Neutral, but didnt try the other gears. Ill check into that. Might help clear up my recent issue (notchier shift feel than usual). I think it might have something to do with the trans fluid im using right now, but thats a project for another day when I can afford to change it again.

nate-00neon wrote:

occasional demons wrote:

nate-00neon wrote:no that sounds right and makes sense if you think about it.
for a rusted bolt...do u take a short handled wrench or a really long one?

Torches, penetrating oil, and impact gun. Oh, wait a minute that isn't good for the tranny!

lol thats not what i was talking about...that was just an example for where you need leverage. had nothing to do with the tranny lol

+98

when i bought my srt4 sts for my sxt from maddog the instrutions said the loosen the bolt and reset the cable. i guess its b/c the 80% reduced changed the pull and push of that cable im guessing. i know when i did mine it moved about 1/4 of an inch.