Help! replacing Tranni 04 Neon Es

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:22 pm

my tranni is supposably bad and needs replacing, been looking around and $2400 for a new tranni is too much but found a couple rangin from 30k miles to 50k miles same year and model for $400-$600. anything i should be looking out for, suggesions? comments?

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:42 pm

obviously check the condition of the trani fluid and how long it has been sitting. Even though the trani may have low miles, if its been sitting for 2 years its not worth the money. For example, my wife's 94 caravan with a 4speed, its trani blew and I went to install a low mileage (under50k) trani into it then decided to have it rebuilt first, and that was a good thing, because of it sitting, the seals dried up and I would have installed a bad trani....

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:22 pm

Your car is only 4 years old so it has alot more life left. (bodywise, I don't know the mileage) So a little more $ now may be worth it in the long run. Get the freshest trani you can find for what you can spend. If you had a way/tools to swap your self it would save a couple hundred $. I would say it isn't too big of a deal to do the physical swap, but I don't know your abilities either. The axle nuts need to be removed, steering knuckles/ struts can be dropped as an assembly to save alignment. that is to pull the axles, and the rest is disconnecting the wiring, plumbing and unbolting the torque converter, then ATX from the motor and body reverse for install. then off to the dealer to get the TCM thrugh the Quick learn proceedure and the other little details that will help it live a happy life. Axle seals should prolly be replaced for cheap insurance, and the seal where the TC goes in. Even if you have the dealer install it make sure they do that. then the only other thing I recommend is a B & M tranny cooler with a Perma Cool t,tat. That's what I used on my Sundance. The T'stat helps it to reach operating temp faster. I noticed it shifted better with the t'stat than with just the cooler. This will be about $80 ish for both items through Summit Racing. If your willing to spend more then go with Redline ATF - $8/QT. It outlast the normal stuff by a long shot.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:35 pm

Mobil 1 also has a compatible fluid out there now, but from my source's the Amsoil ATF thats compatible with Chrysler ATF+4 is the best on the market...

alsey_seven · Post by **alsey_seven** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:45 pm

***joker*** wrote:my tranni is supposably bad and needs replacing, been looking around and $2400 for a new tranni is too much but found a couple rangin from 30k miles to 50k miles same year and model for $400-$600. anything i should be looking out for, suggesions? comments?

let me correct you. you are not able to get a new Transmission. not possible unless you get one right out of the production assembly plant. So what you are going to get even from dealership or from any source is a Rebuilt Transmission.

not trying to sound like an ass. but don't be tricked on thinking you can get a brand new transmission. hell you cant even get a engine

btw don't get a used one from a junk yard. Its hard to know how the previous owner drove

Post by **occasional demons** » Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:51 pm

Almost forgot. see if they will explain why your speedometer isn't working. It would suck to go thru all the hassle and till find out you have to replace the TCM (also). Get them to guarranty the TCM is OK before they do the work. If for anything just for their response. I just don't buy something not related to the parking sprag/output sender/P/TCM affecting the speedo operation. Not saying they are dishonest, but you don't want to get sucked into a money pit.

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alsey_seven wrote:
***joker*** wrote:my tranni is supposably bad and needs replacing, been looking around and $2400 for a new tranni is too much but found a couple rangin from 30k miles to 50k miles same year and model for $400-$600. anything i should be looking out for, suggesions? comments?

let me correct you. you are not able to get a new Transmission. not possible unless you get one right out of the production assembly plant. So what you are going to get even from dealership or from any source is a Rebuilt Transmission.

not trying to sound like an ass. but don't be tricked on thinking you can get a brand new transmission. hell you cant even get a engine

btw don't get a used one from a junk yard. Its hard to know how the previous owner drove

From what I gather from OEM dodge Parts there are still new ones avail for the '04's The older ones require a core so those are reman. Usually stuff that doesn't require a core are new items
BBR should be able to confirn either way, but I don't think it much matters as he's not getting a new one if he can help it.

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:59 am

getting code p0731 Incorrect first gear Ratio? anything to fix this? or do i really need a transmission rebuild like tranni shop says? speedo and odometer not workin, already replaced input and output speed sensors. 2004 Neon Es Atx 46k miles

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:27 am

Try to keep this in the same thread instead of starting new ones, so ppl can see the whole story and may be better able to give an answer. Like I said get the dealer to explain why your speedo isn't working, because inquiring minds need to know!

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:34 pm

after being at my dealer i really doubt they know what they're doing, all they did was tell me the obvious, they cleared the code, test drove it and told me its not shifting gears. changed speed sensor and drove it again, same thing not shifting gears. dealers says my tranni needs to be rebuild.

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:24 pm

I'm almost sure it won't shift with out the output signal. The TCM thinks something is wrong and won't let anything else proceed to the next step. It seems a little fishy that they can say the tranny needs an overhaul when there aren't all the inputs giving the TCM the info it needs. While your trans may indeed be bad, your speedometer should still function as long as the wheels are turning, if the output sensor is communicating with the PCM and TCM. Until that issue is resolved I wouldn't get another transmission. Hopefully someone on here knows enough about it to say positively one way or another.

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:12 pm

thats what im thinkin occasional demons, sorry bout postin twice its just i want to be exactly sure my tranni is gone before i spend that much money on it and it ends up being something electrical or on the exterior of the tranni

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:29 pm

^^^
Thats why I wanted you to hit up the dealer, if the dealer knows there crap, they will know for a fact if its the trani or an electrical problem...
Hopefully this dealer you went to is qualified to diagnose things properly...

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:52 pm

^^^^ I gave up on my dealer, from what i saw they dont know what they were doing. cleared the code, changed the speed sensor, test drove it. told me i need a tranni rebuild. Im taking it to Cottman transmissions so they can do an external diagnostics

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:08 pm

Keep us updated!

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Fri Jan 04, 2008 5:52 am

I gave up on my dealer, from what i saw they dont know what they were doing.

Its sad when some dealerships techs are that incompetent that cant diagnose properly...

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:17 pm

well after all this time i finally got it fixed, instead of being a tranni rebuild it ended up being the wire connected to the speed sensor, only cost me 210

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sun Feb 03, 2008 11:26 pm

How much is a rebuild typically for our cars? I might have to rebuild mine soon.

BlackRoseRacing · Post by **BlackRoseRacing** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 6:50 am

***joker*** wrote:well after all this time i finally got it fixed, instead of being a tranni rebuild it ended up being the wire connected to the speed sensor, only cost me 210

Have you contacted the dealer that told you that you needed a trani and demand your diagnostic charge back? If they hassle you contact Chrysler's Customer support center and explained to them the situation and see what they will do for you.

Post by **occasional demons** » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:40 pm

Adionik wrote:How much is a rebuild typically for our cars? I might have to rebuild mine soon.

It depends on if they pull it out or you do. Most places around here charge around $2000 to do everything. You could get a reman. from the dealer for that much, take it home, install it, and car dollie it back to the dealer and let them reprogram the TCM. Or if you're feeling brave you could tear it down and do it yourself, but you would also need to buy some tools to do it right. And there isn't any warranty. The only thing is you prolly have to buy a new TC or they prolly won't warranty it anyway.

***joker*** · Post by ***joker*** » Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:14 am

BlackRoseRacing wrote:
***joker*** wrote:well after all this time i finally got it fixed, instead of being a tranni rebuild it ended up being the wire connected to the speed sensor, only cost me 210
Have you contacted the dealer that told you that you needed a trani and demand your diagnostic charge back? If they hassle you contact Chrysler's Customer support center and explained to them the situation and see what they will do for you.

no they only charged me $40 anyways, and besides i work as a sales associate there now

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