Changed the CV axle -> Finally finished

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:47 pm

I bought a replacement driver side CV axle for my '01 R/T.

The guy only asked if I had Traction Control, which I do, and I did forget to tell him that I had ABS (he didn't ask either)

Now I remember reading somewhere that there was a spline on the axle itself for the ABS sensor.

Where's the said spline? What does it looks like? I don't want to start swapping axles to find out I don't have the right part.

Could someone circle it on the pictures?

(It is the axle he gave me)

Thanks

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:53 pm

The ABS tone wheel would press onto the area I have circled. You may have trouble pressing it on there with that much paint on it though. And that is providing you can get yours off without damaging it.

If that axle was for traction control it would have an ABS tone wheel since that is what the T/C uses.

Post by **occasional demons** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:59 pm

Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but does traction control and ABS use the same tone ring?

What you need should be on the end in the first pic. It is a ring with evenly spaced notches all the way around. Kind of like a gear with square teeth.

Edit: I am no match for the awesomeness of the Dante.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:10 pm

Ninja edit FTW

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 5:15 pm

Thanks. I'll go see the guy and ask him about it.

EDIT: Hahaha. Just looked at the box and on the the picture of the axle, there's a tone wheel on it. But it's neither on the axle, neither in the box.

My CV joint started to squeal and it really is annoying driving with it.

fixitmattman · Post by **fixitmattman** » Thu Jan 14, 2010 6:29 pm

occasional demons wrote:does traction control and ABS use the same tone ring?

99/100 yes

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:05 am

What would that 1 be then?

thttxboy · Post by **thttxboy** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 6:54 am

Traction control wouldnt be possible without abs. Both systems use the tone wheel to determine what to do. If you hit the brake pedal hard all 4 tone wheels stop on each side thus activating abs. If you drive normally and you have traction control on and one or 2 tone wheels stop moving well the system thinks (and you most likely are) sliding, and the system will activate the just the brakes as needed to correct the problem.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 9:21 am

Themaggots wrote:Hahaha. Just looked at the box and on the the picture of the axle, there's a tone wheel on it. But it's neither on the axle, neither in the box.

Yes, definitely take that back and ask for a ABS specific axle. I've actually never seen them come with the tone ring not mounted up. I believe it needs to be machine pressed on at the factory...?

Make sure you take a look at whatever he says is the right one, now that you know what to look for. You'll know it's the right one as soon as you see it.

thttxboy · Post by **thttxboy** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:27 am

hul kogan wrote:
Themaggots wrote:Hahaha. Just looked at the box and on the the picture of the axle, there's a tone wheel on it. But it's neither on the axle, neither in the box.
Yes, definitely take that back and ask for a ABS specific axle. I've actually never seen them come with the tone ring not mounted up. I believe it needs to be machine pressed on at the factory...?

Make sure you take a look at whatever he says is the right one, now that you know what to look for. You'll know it's the right one as soon as you see it.

Yea I was thinking the same thing but on my 03 base neon my axles didnt have a tone ring but when I bought a replacement it did. I dunno it didnt matter to me but I didnt have abs either.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:45 am

All of the reman 2nd gen axles that Chrysler sells have the tone wheel on them. If you don't have ABS it just sits there not doing anything.

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 10:47 am

Danteneon wrote:If you don't have ABS it just sits there not doing anything.

Sure does, I have one on my car right now.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:29 pm

Yeah, it's a mini fan to help cool the bearing.

But I agree, they should come pre installed.

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:43 pm

When to the store, explained the problem and it turns out the guy ordered the wrong part.

While explaining the problem, there's this other guy who says "There's no traction control on Neons". So I tell him that yes, there is traction control and that it requires the ABS tone ring to work and again he says that there's no trac control...
I told him that I'm parked right in front and that he can come look with me if he wants to.
The guy dissapeared in the backstore.

Anyway, I'm supposed to receive the right axle tuesday (earlier than the usual delivery date)and at the same price as the other.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:49 pm

I love when someone at an autoparts store acts like an expert on some car. Yes, they may know a lot about many different cars, but unless they are an enthusist of some sort they just look like fools for making statments like that.

Glad you got it worked out man

hul kogan · Post by **hul kogan** » Fri Jan 15, 2010 4:50 pm

^ I get that often...dumbasses.

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:51 pm

Finally managed to get the right part last week.

Now I REALLY had a hard time swapping axles so I lost a LOT of fluid since it took a while before I managed to get the new axle into place.

I went and bought a 5-liter of Mobil ATF+4.
I filled it until the fluid was coming out of the rubber plug. But it SEEMS to me that I put in less than what came out. I asked my GF to start the car up and let the clutch go slowly while I checked underneath for any leaks.

It seemed that a weird noise was coming out of the trans just like if it was missing fluid?

Any good easy way to check if the trans fluid is ok/full?

Post by **racer12306** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:44 pm

Are you sure that ATF+4 was the right fluid?

You basically need to fill it until it comes out of the fill hole. Not much too it.

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Sat Jan 23, 2010 9:07 pm

I suppose so. I read on neons.org that ATF+4 was ok in all the Neons trans.

Should I simply flush all the tranny fluid and refill it with ATF+4?

"Mopart ATF+4 (Automatic Transmission Fluid) is
required in both the 41TE automatic and T350/T850
manual transaxles." Comes from a 2003 or 2004 Neon Service Manual.

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:02 am

Themaggots wrote:"Mopart ATF+4 (Automatic Transmission Fluid) is
required in both the 41TE automatic and T350/T850
manual transaxles." Comes from a 2003 or 2004 Neon Service Manual.

"NV T350 (A-578) transaxles use Mopart Manual
Transaxle Lubricant (MS-9417). Hypoid gear lube,
engine oil, and/or automatic transmission fluid
should not be used in this transaxle. Hard shifting
effort, bearing, gear, and/or synchronizer failure
may occur if incorrect fluid is used." Comes from a 2000 Neon Service manual.

Which one is right?

Passt · Post by **Passt** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:01 pm

Themaggots wrote:While explaining the problem, there's this other guy who says "There's no traction control on Neons". So I tell him that yes, there is traction control and that it requires the ABS tone ring to work and again he says that there's no trac control...
I told him that I'm parked right in front and that he can come look with me if he wants to.
The guy dissapeared in the backstore.

Gotta love it lol

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 1:06 pm

Themaggots wrote:
Themaggots wrote:"Mopart ATF+4 (Automatic Transmission Fluid) is
required in both the 41TE automatic and T350/T850
manual transaxles." Comes from a 2003 or 2004 Neon Service Manual.

"NV T350 (A-578) transaxles use Mopart Manual
Transaxle Lubricant (MS-9417). Hypoid gear lube,
engine oil, and/or automatic transmission fluid
should not be used in this transaxle. Hard shifting
effort, bearing, gear, and/or synchronizer failure
may occur if incorrect fluid is used." Comes from a 2000 Neon Service manual.

Which one is right?

ATF was put in neons as a cost saving measure. I'd drain the trans, and refill it with pennzoil synchromesh fluid. I never filled it with the rubber plug, I just put 2.5 qts of fluid in.

Post by **occasional demons** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:48 pm

Themaggots wrote:[Which one is right?

For your '01, (MS-9417). Or what Jerry said.

Syncromesh, Redline MTL, etc.

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Sun Jan 24, 2010 4:53 pm

Alright thanks a lot. Will go and get some Pennzoil Synchromesh tommorow.

Themaggots · Post by **Themaggots** » Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:41 pm

invujerry wrote:ATF was put in neons as a cost saving measure.

I can see why. ~5 quarts of Mobil ATF cost about 30$.

3 quarts of Pennzoil Synchromesh was around 43$.

Anyway. The car runs smooth and there doesn't seem to be a leak.

Thanks everyone for their help