Questions about axles, transmissions, differentials, pretty much anything that connects the engine to the wheels, this is the place for those questions.
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gtxtreme19
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by gtxtreme19 » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:54 pm
Ok guys I was going through some pm's the other day and found some info I had forgotten about on our 3 speed transmissions and comparing them to the a-413. Its good info and I don't take any credit for it but I figured its here if anyone wants to use it.
GTXtreme19 wrote: Hey man, I realize You prolly dont have the tranny for sale anymore (it would be awesome if you did) so I was Just wondering if you had any info on Modding it and putting it into a neon. I'd like to make a street/strip car with an atx and the 31th doesn't seem to have much of a performance market. Any help?
GT Neon wrote:gtxtreme19 wrote:Well im in Northwest ohio about 2 miles from Indiana so coming to check it out is out of the question. I just wanted to pick Your brain about rebuilding the 31th I've got. Hell if the parts would for sure fit I scoop it to rebuild mine
The parts not only fit fine they held the power of a 2.4L turbo pushing 19psi of boost 350hp/375wtrq. Shortly after pushing that kind of power the turbo died. I suspect the housing might be trashed where the differential sits but the internal parts should have been saved from the damage so I would bet they are still in good shape.
occasional demons wrote:occasional demons wrote:Basically, they are the same, as far as the rotating mass, and to some extent the valve body. It really depends on what year, and what engine/car they are in/from. Naturally the bell housing will be different if it is mated to 2.2. The valve body is going to be a little different, depending on whether or not the TC lock up is hydraulic, or electric. But I wouldn't hold my breath as to whether the internals are 100% interchangeable.
FWIW wrote:The A404 was strengthened to become the A413 (later 31TH) in 1981. This was used with Chrysler's 2.2 L and 2.5 L K-car engines. It was available both with and without a lockup torque converter. This transmission was also used in the Dodge Neon from 1995-2001. The A413 is broadly similar in concept to Ford's ATX three-speed unit.
They were used in everything 4 cyl/ ATX, not just the K cars. N/A or boosted it didn't matter. but as boost goes, it was only the Turbo I cars. Anything with an intercooler got an MTX.
There was also a version in the mini vans with the V6.
But I remember reading somewhere that they made small changes here and there that made swapping parts between years a challenge. It would be nice if the turbo internals are compatible with the neon versions.
I'm sure there were some Turbo I Daytona's, and Shadows that were pumping out more than the rated 145 hp from the factory, and those A413's held up fine. They really were pretty durable, the TC just doesn't like super high RPM's. They tend to come apart inside.
Edit: I think as far as valve bodies, they are pretty much interchangeable, just the TC lock up might not work. But anything as far as shift kits would work. The RMVB is a direct fit between them, so I can't see why not.
-Mike
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NickKo
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by NickKo » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:45 pm
Thanks for posting this info...... for us AXT guys.
( Even though we have 3 MTX Neons, between my brother, and myself )
- Nick
-1998 2-dr SOHC MTX= 57mm TB; Maddog STS
-2000 Ply.LX w/MTX = Maddog STS; CAI; 2.5 exh.; 60mm T/B
-2001 ATX w/Syked PCM + Magnum header
-2001 ACR w/SRT T/B bored out to 55mm
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gtxtreme19
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by gtxtreme19 » Wed Dec 03, 2014 6:58 pm
well most of these links no longer work, looks like I have some research to do
-Mike
Midnight_Rider wrote:Skitlz wrote:Gramps, get a GPS.
Gramps
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NickKo
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by NickKo » Wed Dec 03, 2014 10:54 pm
gtxtreme19 wrote:well most of these links no longer work, looks like I have some research to do
It looks like 'Mookie's old site / link is down.
OUCH.
- Nick
-1998 2-dr SOHC MTX= 57mm TB; Maddog STS
-2000 Ply.LX w/MTX = Maddog STS; CAI; 2.5 exh.; 60mm T/B
-2001 ATX w/Syked PCM + Magnum header
-2001 ACR w/SRT T/B bored out to 55mm
Official "I'm Going to Drive My Neon till it Dies" Club #000009