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Posted: **Sun Jun 19, 2011 6:49 pm**

alrighty so in the quest to make my base '00 better i have found a '01 neon in the boneyard, took a hit to the back left side pretty hard, but the cars a gold mine for parts, hydro 5spd and cruise control !!!,

I didn't have much time to grab parts but i managed to grab the pcm, and started taking parts off for the cruise, but ran out of time before they closed.

I plan on sticking with the hydro setup, will take pics to compare the firewalls, i doubt theres that much to change.

So i need help with the rest of the parts list to make sure i get everything,

1. PCM-have
2. master cylinder-need
3. slave cylinder w/line-need
4. shifter w/cables-need
5. brake pedal-need

since this is coming out of a '01 what wiring will i need to be able to do this swap for my '00 ??

will the speedo swap over too ?? I have heard the milage is stored in the cluster is this true ??

I wonder if it would be easier to just swap in an aftermarket tach....

$hitty thing is thati won't be able to get to this till friday, possibly thursday due to work

Thanks for the help guys,
-Mike

Posted: **Mon Jun 20, 2011 7:36 am**

The 2000 Neon was the only 2nd gen Neon, that did not have the hydraulically-assisted clutch.

To make a 2001-2005 clutch pedal assembly work in the 2000, will require some modification of the firewall.

Otherwise, to avoid doing this, you will have to find a 2000 model year clutch pedal assembly <- (one year only), since 1995-1999 is different.
If you can score a 2000 model year pedal assembly, then you can bypass having to use a hydraulic clutch ( unless you WANT the hydraulic assist.)

- Nick

Posted: **Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:34 pm**

yea i want the hydro clutch setup, i have pretty good welding skills, i just want to make sure i have all the neccessary parts needed before i swap out my atx

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:50 pm**

Guard1an wrote:

I plan on sticking with the hydro setup, will take pics to compare the firewalls, i doubt theres that much to change.

So i need help with the rest of the parts list to make sure i get everything,

1. PCM-have
The '01 PCM will require an '01 up TB, or remote mounting an '01 up IAC motor.
2. master cylinder-need
3. slave cylinder w/line-need
4. shifter w/cables-need
5. brake pedal-need

since this is coming out of a '01 what wiring will i need to be able to do this swap for my '00 ??
Not sure, as the speedo connector should reach/fit the MTX. Since you have the MTX PCM there will be no TC solenoid code.

You will need the correct wiring for the IAC tho. If you can get the engine bay harness, get it. There are possibly going be be some slight differences in the wiring/connectors between the two cars. But the wire color codes should match. Just swap inside the connectors where possible. Splicing may be needed for some, not really sure. 2000 has it's own little quirks that are different than all other years.

will the speedo swap over too ?? I have heard the milage is stored in the cluster is this true ??

Yes, it is true. The cluster should/will swap. It is the easiest way to solve the next question.

I wonder if it would be easier to just swap in an aftermarket tach....
Thanks for the help guys,
-Mike

Remote mounted IAC

Posted: **Sat Jul 02, 2011 10:43 pm**

Guard1an wrote:alrighty so in the quest to make my base '00 better i have found a '01 neon in the boneyard, took a hit to the back left side pretty hard, but the cars a gold mine for parts, hydro 5spd and cruise control !!!,

I didn't have much time to grab parts but i managed to grab the pcm, and started taking parts off for the cruise, but ran out of time before they closed.

I plan on sticking with the hydro setup, will take pics to compare the firewalls, i doubt theres that much to change.

So i need help with the rest of the parts list to make sure i get everything,

1. PCM-have
2. master cylinder-need

3. slave cylinder w/line-need
4. shifter w/cables-need
5. brake pedal-need

since this is coming out of a '01 what wiring will i need to be able to do this swap for my '00 ??

will the speedo swap over too ?? I have heard the milage is stored in the cluster is this true ??

I wonder if it would be easier to just swap in an aftermarket tach....

$hitty thing is thati won't be able to get to this till friday, possibly thursday due to work

Thanks for the help guys,
-Mike

yo i have 01 mtx pedals in good cond for sale and also a master slaver with the resevior for sale ill give u a great deal on both casue i need this stuff gone pm me man

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:01 am**

stairmaster appreciated, but i get pretty good deals at my local yard, so i will pass.

Bill, why would i need '01+ TB/and or IAC ?? the motor that i have been rocking for the past 6 months or so is a snazzy 420A DOHC out of a '98 eclipse, and am using the stock '00 IAC.

Is there any special wiring for the cluster that i would need to worry about to be able to operate the tach ???

-Mike

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:32 am**

Guard1an wrote:stairmaster appreciated, but i get pretty good deals at my local yard, so i will pass.

Bill, why would i need '01+ TB/and or IAC ?? the motor that i have been rocking for the past 6 months or so is a snazzy 420A DOHC out of a '98 eclipse, and am using the stock '00 IAC.

Is there any special wiring for the cluster that i would need to worry about to be able to operate the tach ???

-Mike

i would have given you pedals and master slave with resevior for 30 bucks shipped but ok

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:31 am**

Guard1an wrote: Bill, why would i need '01+ TB/and or IAC ??

Is there any special wiring for the cluster that i would need to worry about to be able to operate the tach ???

The '00 and older use a stepper motor 4 wire IAC. '01 and up use a 2 wire PWM soleniod to control the "vacuum leak". The '01 IAC driver will not operate the '00 - older stepper motor.

The '00 style TB will not accommodate the '01 IAC.

There should be nothing needed to make the tach cluster work. It should be plug and play. The PCI bus wire sends all of the signals needed to make it all function.

Posted: **Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:30 am**

When you go to install your pedals and clutch master cylinder, You'll find a small oval plate, black in color, bolted to the firewall with 2 bolts, right behind the interior fusebox. you can bolt up the mtx clutch cylinder right in place of it, just like stock. No drilling of the firewall or anything like that needed.

I just finished this swap on an 02. So if you have any questions, feel free to shoot me a pm! Trust me, your going to love how much quicker your car is afterwards!

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:54 am**

when your talking the IAC driver, are you refering to the PCM programing ??, unfortunately when i went there today, somebody had chopped the front end off half way down the frame rails and murdered the harness, but at least i managed to grab all this before they closed,

Only paid $108 for everything

the TB on the 420A won't be able to mount up the '01+ IAC, why wouldn't the '00 work if the harness is still complete for the '00 Neon ?? I mean its the same connections to the PCM, now that i have the slave cylinder i plan on tracking down an aluminium one, and come tuesday i will have the clutch master cylinder, that i will find an aluminium replacement for as well.

-Mike

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:11 am**

Find a 2000 MTX pcm, solve your issue easily.
Software in a 2001 pcm is set up to run a 2 wire IAC. 95-00 are set up to use a 4 wire IAC.

Posted: **Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:15 pm**

gilly02le wrote:Find a 2000 MTX pcm, solve your issue easily.
Software in a 2001 pcm is set up to run a 2 wire IAC. 95-00 are set up to use a 4 wire IAC.

This.

And from what I have read/seen, the '00 firewall does does not have a block off plate, because there was no need for it. The cable clutch set up would not need that hole for a master cylinder rod to go through.

O/T:
Check the clockspring that it is intact. It needs to be centered properly in your column too. Otherwise it will rip the ribbon in two. IIRC, the '01 horn connector will be different than the '00 connector. I think I soldered my connection to match.

If you can go back and get the pedal area of the firewall, you could weld/pop rivet it into place on your 2000 firewall. Or bolt it in place via the brake booster holes, and trace out the hole(s) for the clutch MC. But the needed weld nuts on the inside will be the trick part.

Posted: **Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:25 am**

clock spring is intact, tore the steering wheel apart myself, i have to check to see, can't remember if all the '00+ steering wheels had CC mounts of if it was application specific. I will see if i can get the whole chunk of firewall pending it isn't too damn pricey, other wise taking lots of measurements (working in an industrial machine shop in a ship yard for 3 yrs had its perks lol) and pics will help if i need to fab up a support on the firewall,

-Mike

Posted: **Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:30 am**

just holesaw a hole for the master cylinder, and weld two bolts on either side of it to hold it in place..easy enough. Do you Want some better pictures of where the block-off plate would be if you had one?

You may not even need to weld bolts in place, since the two bolts/nuts that hold the clutch MC in place, are also holding down the back of the PDC bracket inside the dash.

Posted: **Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:23 pm**

yea i was noticing once i took the pedal setup out, after taking out the dash, after disconnecting the steering colum of the junk yard car, all thats on the fire wall is 3 holes for the clutch master cylinder no reinforement plate nothing, I did notice gilly02le that the PDC bracket makes a perfect template for the clutch MC lol, if you don't mind i would love some better pics of the block off placement

Posted: **Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:18 pm**

progress, so while i was at the junkyard today, i found a '97 mitsubishi eclipse 5spd, and decided to take a look at the clutch MC and slave and looky looky what i found out............

i spent $20 on the eclipse mc/sc and rubber line, boo ya !!!! still gonna rebuild them if its cheap enough or just buy new from parts store....... oh finally found a pic of the ASP set up

its wicked sweet but the $$$$$

also is this the reciever for the key fob's ??

-Mike

Posted: **Sat Jul 30, 2011 11:41 am**

bill its hard to tell in your remote mount IAC setup where the hard tube T-eed off at the top is going to, could you please explain, also i noticed the rubber tube is going to the TB before the butterfly, i thought that the IAC's sole purpose in life was to adjust air [b]after[/b] the IAC ?? do you have any more pics of your rather trick setup ??

the ATX crapped the bed today and rather forking out the money for a ebay PCM which theres about 10 on there now, run the VIN and see if it works kinda deals, i plan on hitting up the dealer and seeing if they can tell me the options on my R/T PCM if it was skim/ATX (dont remember it the car had an ATX/MTX) and if my '01 MTX was skim, also can the 2 wire IAC wiring be spliced into the 4 wire IAC's harness ??

-Mike

Posted: **Sat Jul 30, 2011 4:16 pm**

still need a shifter? ihave a stock srt4 one for 40 bucks shipped

Posted: **Sat Jul 30, 2011 5:12 pm**

nah im good man got the stock shifter out of the '01,

think i am going to go with the ford IAC 2 nice round holes perfect for the aluminium plate, sooooooo i plan on going back to the boneyard tomorrow gonna hunt me down a couple 3 420A TB's that way i can have it mocked and and ready to go so i don't down the motor,

more to come.........

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:22 pm**

I see this and am so glad I managed to located a trans and shifter cables and pedals from a 2000 for my 2000.

I should point out that I believe early 2001 Neon MTX was also cable like the 2000 (mid-year changed to hydro).

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:46 pm**

Arro wrote:I see this and am so glad I managed to located a trans and shifter cables and pedals from a 2000 for my 2000.

I should point out that I believe early 2001 Neon MTX was also cable like the 2000 (mid-year changed to hydro).

Local guy who wrecked his '01 asked if I wanted his transmission (way over priced) while it turned out to indeed be a cable setup, while my '01 is certainly hydraulic.

Posted: **Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:14 pm**

Just to be sure, how did you verify it was a 2001? By production date or by the tenth digit of the VIN? You cannot use production dates to determine what year the car is.

Posted: **Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:52 am**

I always read the Catalyst sticker at work. Sucks though when they have a replacement hood...

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