TFT PID

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TFT PID

Post by dcorwin822 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 9:26 pm

anyone know the PIDs for the TFT using an aftermarket scantool like ELM327?
help this isn't a ford and I'm lost.. :-(

2008 Ford Focus SES 5-sp
2004 Neon SE ATX (g/f's)
(rip) 1994 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)
(rip) 1991 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)

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Post by OB » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:06 am

What software are you using with that ELM chipset?
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Post by dcorwin822 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:50 am

Tourque (android) via elmscan bluetoothby scantool.net
help this isn't a ford and I'm lost.. :-(

2008 Ford Focus SES 5-sp
2004 Neon SE ATX (g/f's)
(rip) 1994 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)
(rip) 1991 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)

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Post by OB » Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:11 pm

Not sure on the PIDs, what are you trying to do?
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Post by dcorwin822 » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:56 pm

Read the transmission fluid temp (tft) with out having to waste more money buying an actual gauge. Some one some where has to know these. I know the car has one.

My overall goal is to get an aftermarket cooler I just want to make sure that the one I do get isn't over or undersized.
help this isn't a ford and I'm lost.. :-(

2008 Ford Focus SES 5-sp
2004 Neon SE ATX (g/f's)
(rip) 1994 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)
(rip) 1991 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)

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Post by OB » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:10 pm

Are you planning on going to a manual trans radiator without the cooler in it, to avoid the common issue of cooler failure and fluid contamination? Or is there some performance reason for the cooler? I'm looking into the TFTS I'll let you know if I come up with anything. I don't have an ATX Neon or I would plug into it myself.
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Post by dcorwin822 » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:14 pm

yes. to prevent cooler failure, again. :roll:
help this isn't a ford and I'm lost.. :-(

2008 Ford Focus SES 5-sp
2004 Neon SE ATX (g/f's)
(rip) 1994 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)
(rip) 1991 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)

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Post by OB » Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:23 pm

I assume you have the 40TE, since you have an 04. I skimmed through the 40TE section of the FSM, and it looks like there is no such sensor on the unit. The only electronics whatsoever are the solenoid assemblies, and input and output speed sensors, the latter doubling as the VSS. What made you think it had a fluid temp sensor? Looking at the manual, it seems the cooler flows at all times; I don't see any kind of thermo valve that controls flow to it. Therefore the trans is most likely designed to run at the exact same temperature as the engine. Since the cooler is in the radiator, there is no need to monitor temp because it is the same as ECT (engine coolant temp). Hope that helps.

I can't think of who's done a standalone cooler on an ATX, but I believe it has been done. Hopefully someone else can chime in who knows more about it. Most of us drive 5-speeds, and many who don't scrap the ATX for a manual at some point.
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Post by dcorwin822 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:28 am

OB wrote:I assume you have the 40TE, since you have an 04. I skimmed through the 40TE section of the FSM, and it looks like there is no such sensor on the unit. The only electronics whatsoever are the solenoid assemblies, and input and output speed sensors, the latter doubling as the VSS. What made you think it had a fluid temp sensor? Looking at the manual, it seems the cooler flows at all times; I don't see any kind of thermo valve that controls flow to it. Therefore the trans is most likely designed to run at the exact same temperature as the engine. Since the cooler is in the radiator, there is no need to monitor temp because it is the same as ECT (engine coolant temp). Hope that helps.

I can't think of who's done a standalone cooler on an ATX, but I believe it has been done. Hopefully someone else can chime in who knows more about it. Most of us drive 5-speeds, and many who don't scrap the ATX for a manual at some point.
See pages 21-205 thru 20-206 section "FLUID LEVEL CHECK USING DRB". By reading that section it makes me belive there has to be a tft sensor somewhere.
help this isn't a ford and I'm lost.. :-(

2008 Ford Focus SES 5-sp
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(rip) 1994 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)
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Post by racer12306 » Tue Jul 19, 2011 7:49 am

That's just how Chrysler tells their techs to check the fluid. They stick a probe into the dipstick tube and that reads temp and determines level.

That is the only way that I can have the trans fluid on my Jeep checked. Blasted 5 speed with no dipstick.
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Post by occasional demons » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:09 am

My experience with the 4 speed ATX, is it doesn't like being too cold. I ran a separate cooler in the Shadow. I ended up installing a Perma Cool thermostat, that does not open until the fluid temp hits 180º. The shifts just didn't feel "normal" when the cooler wasn't controlled by the t'stat.

The ideal trans temp is 180º to 220ºF.

Just because the ATF cooler is in the radiator doesn't mean it runs the same temp as the engine. It can get far hotter than the engine temp.

But let me check later, as I think I remember there being a temp sesor built into the range switch on the ATX. But don't hold me to it.

Edit:
The Transmission Range Sensor (TRS) has four
switch contacts that monitor shift lever position and
send the information to the PCM/TCM.
The TRS also has an integrated temperature sensor
(thermistor) that communicates transaxle temperature
to the TCM and PCM (Fig. 303).

TRANSMISSION TEMPERATURE SENSOR
The TRS has an integrated thermistor (Fig. 303)
that the PCM/TCM uses to monitor the transmission’s
sump temperature. Since fluid temperature
can affect transmission shift quality and convertor
lock up, the PCM/TCM requires this information to
determine which shift schedule to operate in. The
PCM also monitors this temperature data so it can
energize the vehicle cooling fan(s) when a transmission
“overheat” condition exists. If the thermistor circuit
fails, the PCM/TCM will revert to calculated oil
temperature usage.
There is a long "ear" that extends from the range sensor. That houses the temp sensor.
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Post by dcorwin822 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:06 am

i take it as no one has a clue as to what the PID would be? Crud.
help this isn't a ford and I'm lost.. :-(

2008 Ford Focus SES 5-sp
2004 Neon SE ATX (g/f's)
(rip) 1994 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)
(rip) 1991 Ford Escort LX 5-sp (died of rust)

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Post by BlackRoseRacing » Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:16 am

to get the "pid" one would have to crack the Non-NGC code....
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