boosted californians

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:42 am

how many of you guys are running aftermarket turbo setups in california, what kind of fuel setup did you use, and do you have any problems passing smog?

lambostealth · Post by **lambostealth** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:12 am

The ONLY way to pass smog in Cali with a boosted Neon, is with an SRT-4 swap.

You will IMMEDIATELY fail visual inspection with a turbo on your 2.0.

boostinss · Post by **boostinss** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:24 am

living in cali = ftl....

would never want to live there nor visit there

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:34 am

lol. thanks guys. i guess i need to go all motor or move...

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 10:18 am

how do yall get away with all those honda swaps and the cars with turbo kits on them, also what if you register your car in another state, thats what im gonna do in md if i cant pass emmission here..lol

lambostealth · Post by **lambostealth** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 1:54 pm

Motor swaps are a different story, they must be from your year or newer, they must have been available in your chassis, they must have all smog equipment, and they must be inspected by the BAR (Beaurau of Automotive Repair), and the CARB Refferee (California Air Resources Board). Once it passes both of those inspections, it's legal. Then if you want to turbo it, you can buy a greddy kit or whatever is legal in 50 states.

California only allows you to be registered in another state for 30 days, then, if you get pulled over with a local address on your license (which you must report within ten days), and an out of state registration......you get a ticket.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:25 pm

ohh that sucks.

zerocoolok · Post by **zerocoolok** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:36 pm

Just say you are going to school in CA and live in another state. Have some uncles address in like TX put on your license and they cant say anything. The law says that if you are going to school another state, your home state is on your license.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:36 pm

KrackstaR wrote:how do yall get away with all those honda swaps and the cars with turbo kits on them, also what if you register your car in another state, thats what im gonna do in md if i cant pass emmission here..lol

well most honda people either have hookups on smog or they go through the process of making there car B.A.R legal. or they just uninstall the turbo kit, then install it again.

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:46 pm

Anonymous User wrote:
KrackstaR wrote:how do yall get away with all those honda swaps and the cars with turbo kits on them, also what if you register your car in another state, thats what im gonna do in md if i cant pass emmission here..lol
well most honda people either have hookups on smog or they go through the process of making there car B.A.R legal. or they just uninstall the turbo kit, then install it again.

thats what alot of people do here in MD they just put all the stock stuff on and then go thur inspection and once done put the mods back on , how often do you guys have to go thur smog test?

OB · Post by OB » Fri Jun 29, 2007 2:50 pm

Unfortunately going NA isnt going to be much better. Passing SMOG is still gonna be an issue. Unless by NA you only mean a CARB legal intake and some spark plug wires, you'll probably fail visual. If you have a cam, decent internal work (ie high compression), and/or engine management/fuel system mods, you'll probably fail at the tailpipe as well.

Anonymous User · Post by **Anonymous User** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:23 pm

KrackstaR wrote:
Anonymous User wrote:
KrackstaR wrote:how do yall get away with all those honda swaps and the cars with turbo kits on them, also what if you register your car in another state, thats what im gonna do in md if i cant pass emmission here..lol
well most honda people either have hookups on smog or they go through the process of making there car B.A.R legal. or they just uninstall the turbo kit, then install it again.
thats what alot of people do here in MD they just put all the stock stuff on and then go thur inspection and once done put the mods back on , how often do you guys have to go thur smog test?

i think every 2 years....but look at what CA is trying to pass now...

From SEMA Action Network....

http://www.semasan.com/main/main.aspx?id=62246

Legislation (A.B. 616) to require annual Smog check inspections for vehicles 15-years old and older has been approved by the California Assembly and has been sent to the Senate for consideration. The bill would also require that funds generated through the additional inspection fees be deposited into an account which can be used to scrap older cars. You may recall that in 2004 a new law was enacted in California to require the lifetime testing of all 1976 and newer model-year vehicles. Pre-1976 motor vehicles would remain exempt under A.B. 616. The bill has been now referred to the Senate Transportation Committee.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:33 pm

Whatever happened to the grandfather clause?

Wiki wrote:...is an exception that allows an old rule to continue to apply to some existing situations, when a new rule will apply to all future situations. It is often used as a verb: to "grandfather" means to grant such an exemption. For example, a "grandfathered power plant" might be exempt from newer and tougher pollution laws. Often, such a provision is used as a compromise, to effect new rules without upsetting a well-established logistical or political situation. As well as being "grandfathered in" to avoid suffering new penalties, people may be "grandfathered" to receive new benefits they are not otherwise entitled to. For example, if a company has a pension plan that after a certain date improves to include additional or superior benefits, those who have already retired may be "grandfathered in"; they may be granted the same improvements to their existing pension plan, so that they are not, in effect, penalized for having retired prior to the rule change....

OB · Post by OB » Fri Jun 29, 2007 3:48 pm

Im all for getting old junkers off the street personally. All cars should be required to have at least a working obdII spec catalyst (the pre 80's cars that are alredy exempt should be left alone). Even without controls like EGR, AIR, and other emissions tools, a good cat will do wonders to the tailpipe emissions of any car. For less than 100 bucks a car, the government to put a massive damper on emissions in the atmosphere. Imagine how easily they could raise the funds to do this. The only reason most people are against SMOG catching up with newer vehicles is because they dont think its fair to have to pay for new equipment that didnt even come on their car in the first place. With as many tickets as the cops dish out they could easily buy cats and other controls for the majority of the drivers out there who could care lass whether their car was equipped with a new cat, dog, or whatever else

Wenuden · Post by **Wenuden** » Fri Jun 29, 2007 7:17 pm

lambostealth wrote:Motor swaps are a different story, they must be from your year or newer, they must have been available in your chassis, they must have all smog equipment, and they must be inspected by the BAR (Beaurau of Automotive Repair), and the CARB Refferee (California Air Resources Board). Once it passes both of those inspections, it's legal. Then if you want to turbo it, you can buy a greddy kit or whatever is legal in 50 states.

California only allows you to be registered in another state for 30 days, then, if you get pulled over with a local address on your license (which you must report within ten days), and an out of state registration......you get a ticket.

so you have a 2.4, since you're gettin a turbo? or are you doing a swap and changing turbos?

OB · Post by OB » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:27 am

Im pretty sure Chris is gonna be boostin the 2.0. I assume he already has a plan on passing smog (unless the car ends up selling of course, in which case he dont have to worry about it!)

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:43 am

so would i still fail smog with 10.5-1 pistons running all motor?

OB · Post by OB » Sat Jun 30, 2007 12:49 am

No one can tell you for sure, it depends on way too many variables. If you simply swap to high compression pistons and can get the car to run perfectly on pump gas then you might squeeze by. It would take some serious math and preferably some first hand experience from someone who's done it to tell for sure. The second you try to increase fuel by adding anything such as a RRFPR, larger injectors, or aftermarket engine management, youre done. Same goes for non CARB-EO intakes, ignition components, and even exhaust mods. You should be able to get away with an aftermarket catback as long as the 02 sensors and cat are left alone. You may be able to get away with a bit more than I noted, but are you willing to take the chance? A good smog tech will catch all the mods and if a single one of them isnt legal then thats that. The tailpipe test will tell all as well, so even if you can mask the mods, the truth will come out.

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:11 am

i have grahm's old acr, and it needs to have the bottom end rebuilt. i was just hoping i could use the forget higher comp pistons that's all. it has an aem carb approved intake, stock header and catback. the only thing that isn't really approved is the 60mm throttle body, but that can be easilyswapped out before. it would be great to hear somebody that actually has high comp pistons in california and if they have any problems with smog.

OB · Post by OB » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:29 am

Oh you have grambos car? that things been passed around quite a bit! So what happened to the bottom end? Did it finally let go? I dont know anyone who's running high compression here in CA, so you might have to take a shot in the dark. If you have the budget, grab a back up motor and swap it in when its time to smog. Thats the only true solution to a CA smog problem.

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 1:33 am

yes, i am now the third owner of the car. it is still in excellent condition. the car was had some rod knock when i bought it. i took it apart last night and the rod bearings were chewed up along with the rod journals on the crank.

OB · Post by OB » Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:18 am

no kidding? it has quite a few miles on it by now doesnt it? i suppose that makes sense, seeing as how grambo drove it! haha jk

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:40 am

yeah, 118,000 plus. he must have changed the oil quite regularly though, because everything is in awsome shape. the engine was super clean other than the bearings. i couldn't even find metal shavings in the pan.

lambostealth · Post by **lambostealth** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 3:11 pm

OB wrote:Im pretty sure Chris is gonna be boostin the 2.0. I assume he already has a plan on passing smog (unless the car ends up selling of course, in which case he dont have to worry about it!)

I'll be removing the turbo every two years if I don't get rid of it.

If I do sell it, I will just remove the turbo, smog it, then put it back on for the new owner.

I've been told there is a smog shop here that will pass it with the turbo, but, I would rather just pay the regular fee.

OB · Post by OB » Sat Jun 30, 2007 4:41 pm

hybrid-Srt2001 wrote:yeah, 118,000 plus. he must have changed the oil quite regularly though, because everything is in awsome shape. the engine was super clean other than the bearings. i couldn't even find metal shavings in the pan.

Thats the strange part, the #1 cause of rod bearing failure is lack of lubrication. Kinda ironic. Was grambo the original owner?

chris- yeah I figured you either knew someone or planned on removing the turbo each time. My friend Bob has a guy who will smog anything for less than a 100 bucks. Like you said, id rather put it back to stock and do it legit.

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sat Jun 30, 2007 11:05 pm

yeah, grahm bought it from the dealer, and he sold it to mike back in about october 2006, and then i bought it from mike last week

OB · Post by OB » Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:33 am

well congrats on buying one of the nicer 2gns there are. sorry to hear about the bad luck with the bottom end, but at least you'll have the piece of mind that it will last another 100k miles if you rebuild it. What are you thinking about doing with the whole high compression thing?

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:39 am

10.5-1 .20 over je pistons. eagle h beam rods, street ported head, a crane 12 cam, afxr computer, cam gear, and some way of retarding the timing for nitrous. i'm going to put it together stock for now, and get another block to build up completely. that way i can drive it in the meantime.

OB · Post by OB » Sun Jul 01, 2007 5:31 am

Thats a good idea about getting a spare motor. Nitrous huh? you gonna get into drag racing?

hybrid-Srt2001 · Post by **hybrid-Srt2001** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:47 am

nah, i have an srt powered 1st gen for drag racing. i just want the extra power for occasional street racing. lol (i know it's stupid to race on the street)