help!!!!!!!!!!

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:33 am

Let me start out saying that I drove the car (01 SE ATX) about 200 miles tonight, when I get back, I decided to let the egine cool and continue to install the turbo system I got.

I go out, install the intercooler, leave the pipe that goes from the intake to the TB stock, cause I need to trim that piece down, pipe from TB to PiPe with BOV, then curve down all the way to the intercooler. Simple part, huh? To see if the cuplers were gonna hold, I decided to drive the car around the block to see if I could get them to blow off. Started it up, and everything sound great, little hesitation, but good. Put it in Rev. and I hear a little pop, sorta like a empty bucket poping? Put it back in part, and figured the cuplers were off. Nope, all looked good, engine idles, etc. I drive around the neighborhood (11ishpm) and it holds together, get on main road and try to romp on it, and the thing won't go over 40mph???? RPM's will go up and attempt to shift, but it just won't go???? Well think'n maybe it was just getting tooooooo much air, i drive home slow and park it.

Let it set for a bit and start to change everything from taking the BOV off and putting just a straight pipe after the TB, nope, won't even idle/start now. even wen't as far as putting it the way i had it before I started........nope, won't idle/start.

What in the world have I done???? PUlled the battery lead to see If maybe the computer just needs to be reset, and I'll find out this morning if that worked? Car won't even start now. Sorta acts like it isn't getting fuel? I did think that I got the flex pipe inbetween the intake and TB in a bind? since I was shoving it around and trying to get everything in? When you turn the key over, you can hear the fuel pump come on......and it'll turn over, and almost start, but as soon as it does, it just falls on it's face. It's still a stock PCM, havn't doen my computer stuff yet to the egine.

Do you think the poping noise I heard was the relay for the fuel pump?

60trim · Post by **60trim** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:38 pm

First off, do you have a check engine light right now? Second, check the tube between the intake mani and TB. Replace that with a hard pipe. Here. http://forum.2gn.org/viewtopic.php?t=10003If you go to the very last post, that is a little clip that I put together on running vacum lines for your boosted application. The hard tube between the TB and intake mani is what I'm talking about. If you have a tear in that it will cause your car to stumble on itself because the air is not being monitored by the Intake Air Controller (IAC). Let us know what you find.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:10 pm

does the size of the replacement of the bellows tube witha hard tube? say the stock size is a 2.5" and making it 3" or bigger? I have some extra intercooler piping laying around and will do this........

60trim · Post by **60trim** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:17 pm

keep it at 2.5". You don't need 3inch untill your pushing shit tons of CFMs on a big turbo. You'll lose spool time that way too.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:28 pm

k.........did the codes on it today....P1684 is the only code it's thrown.......stick'n battery code, and yea, I disconnected it to try to reset the pcm...........stilll won't start by the way. Checked the bellows tube for cracks, none, checked the one vacumn source on the TB, it's connected..........anymore suggestions?

60trim · Post by **60trim** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:17 pm

Swap your fuel pump relay for the horn relay. If it isn't getting fuel it won't start for obvious reasons. If its not that, it could be your MAP sensor sensing boost and failing. You need the IAC, MAP and TPS along with the ASD relay and Fuel pump relay to start the car. You still have options. Process of elimination bro.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:21 am

well......it's not under boost yet.

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:36 am

Did you suck up a squirrel?

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:22 am

well........it is arkansas?!

60trim · Post by **60trim** » Wed Nov 07, 2007 4:03 pm

Your couplers won't come off unless you are pushing positive pressure through your pipes. Did you try the things I had suggested?

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:24 pm

simple process of time and parts last night. started by removing the fuel relay and battery at the same time, let it set for 20 mins. that didn't work, removed the fuel line up in the egine bay, turned the car over and it spray'd fuel like a mad dog, so yea, the pump is working........so yea, it's gett'n fuel. Next, removed the spark plugs,........cylinders 1 and 4 had buildup on them, black and........well dave chappell with oil on the spark wires. Toook these off, adn cleaned up the wires. Had a older set of plugs sett'n around and put them in. Took of the fuel rail, and intake manifold..........stink'n bottom bolts are tough, and to top it off, lost one from the passenger side. The manifold had a little trash in it, spoungie looking items? 3 small pieces, not sure if I sucked something up in it or what? Reassembled all, double and triple checked everything..........and bam.........runs.......little rough at first.......but it's good all day today driving back adn forth to work. Guessing the spark plugs fouled out?? There NGK's put on around July.........not sure?

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:44 am

think that was a temp fix, or a deeper problem?

60trim · Post by **60trim** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:53 am

you'll only know until it breaks again. If everything seems to be running fine then don't mess with it.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:35 pm

lawhon wrote: The manifold had a little trash in it, spoungie looking items? 3 small pieces, not sure if I sucked something up in it or what?

Mmmm, squirrel fur? Sorry, man I'm still laughing at that. Possibly air flter pieces (if you had one on at the time) You said there was a "pop" may have been an intake backfire that damaged the air filter. worth looking at anyways.

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:21 pm

I moved this to forced induction thread

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:12 pm

sorta wander why? it's not boosted yet........stil N/A, just planing on boosting it.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:34 pm

ok.......does it matter how long the bellows tube is, I know now that size around matters, but length?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:47 am

Girth is more important than length. At least that's what my GF tells me.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:33 pm

she just doens't want to hurt your feelings

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:52 pm

Could be it... Back on point, try to keep the TB in the same position. Other than that, it's fair game.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:55 pm

got some 2.5" piping today.......gonna cut it down a bit.....and need some couplers........why's the TB gotta be inthe same spot?? It goes up and down all the time with the throttle?

esteinmaier · Post by **esteinmaier** » Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:17 pm

Throttle Body = TB. I'm not sure what you were thinking. But it's best to keep it in the same place because of the throttle cable working best and not sticking, as well as the wiring for the TPS.

lawhon · Post by **lawhon** » Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:38 pm

got that.........but I was think'n it wouldn't mattter moving it.........say an inch and a half?