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Post by bone-yard-racing » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:34 pm

That "kit" is anything but, for something to be a kit you shouldnt have to fabricate everything yourself. I'll tell you what paypal me the price of the kit and I will get you everything from the junkyard plus a spare canister and some #24 injectors.
If you have an a413 3 speed the trans will be fine. 4 speed is a bit "different"
No offense but you have quite a bit to learn before you turbo your car check out these sites:
www.junkyardturbos.com
http://www.themotorbookstore.com/maximum-boost.html
http://www.dodgeforum.com/forum/showthr ... ?p=1419072
http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?t ... t=spoolboy

Listen I hate to sound like a dick but if you cant be bothered to search and/or read what I just posted than you have no business modifying a car espicaly to the extent you want to.
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Post by Adionik » Wed Oct 15, 2008 4:42 pm

hul kogan wrote:
Adionik wrote:How so? He has the 4 speed ATX...unless you have a different deffinition of fast?
judging by the year of his car, he has a 3 speed. which is fully capable of 'fast' after you build it up a bit. i speak up for two reasons: 1. prior to swapping in a MTX, i had a semi-built 3 speed that held the power just fine, and 2. i hate it when people constantly say an ATX can't go fast and it isn't worth your time. a lot more fast cars than you think run ATX's for quick and consistent shifts, not to mention never leaving boost during shifts. while a MTX is the 'fun' option, sometimes an ATX is the best option. saying it has to be a MTX to be fast is just being close-minded.

however, i do agree that the 4 speed isn't a very good ATX platform for performance due to its electronic workings and total lack of an aftermarket.
I didn't see your post earlier, but I have the same year of Neon as his and it is a 4 speed ATX. I never said that an ATX can't go fast, but unless it's built like RedSled's I don't see "fast" happening.

I think the OP should not be modding his car at all if he's making threads like this...
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Post by blue demon02 » Wed Oct 15, 2008 5:08 pm

Adionik wrote:Hardly an own, I hope when i'm almost 30 i'm not still doodling with Neons :roll:
If you call 300+WHP twincharged doodling then sure yea I'm doodling. :laughing3: :tardbang:
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Post by kc2005ptgt » Wed Oct 15, 2008 8:18 pm

*yawn - let's get back ontopic, mkay - ebay turbos, yea or nay? Pissing contests are done through PM's. Thanks.
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Post by Adionik » Wed Oct 15, 2008 10:46 pm

blue demon02 wrote:
Adionik wrote:Hardly an own, I hope when i'm almost 30 i'm not still doodling with Neons :roll:
If you call 300+WHP twincharged doodling then sure yea I'm doodling. :laughing3: :tardbang:
Yeah...i'll believe it when I see it

Should I hold you to a date for said "doodling"?
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Post by excon » Wed Oct 15, 2008 11:26 pm

uh... blue demon... my atx is pretty slow... i've written it off :lol:

I've got all the bolt ons I can do to it (except the mag intake manifold or equivalent) and it's just loud... REALLY loud. My woman hates it.

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Post by Adionik » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:04 am

blue demon02 wrote:
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blue demon02 wrote: Wait didn't I say that in the first place????
Thanks for backing me up ocassional demon! :)

Just getting all the stuff off an SRT from going Stage three will not get you what you need.

Writing of an ATX as being slow is a stupid un-educated statement. If that's true then why is all the fastest drag cars running Auto's? Because a well built ATX can shifter faster and be set to shift at certain RPM's and will never fail in doing so. If you have a motor that hits redline in 2-3 seconds and you have an MTX then you will spend more time shifting then driving. The stock ATX are slower but that's because of the way there set-up and built from the factory. A stock MTX's will go boom in some cases just as easy as a stock ATX. Both need to be built to take big power.
When you're trying to sound educated, atleast attempt to spell the word correctly.

He does not have a world class built automatic transmission, there is next to nothing aftermarket wise for the 4-speed ATX and I am well aware that their consistency is not usually match by the driver mod. So go crash a street racing thread or something, because in THIS particular situation a Dodge NEON transmission is not going to handle any of the abuse he wants to put it through.


:slap: Hey junior shut it. If you want to make fun of me do it in off topic. That kind of talk has no place in this forum! :slap: This is a section for discussing cars not discussing how well I can spell so again Shut it.

Making a general statement such as you did is what causes crap like this. When you get a little older ad learn about life a little you will realize that thinking like that gets you no where.

Look around next time before you say something stupid.

Now this is not the same as the one in a neon but is found in lots of other apps and can bolt right in.

Did some searching on the A604/41TE. Transtar makes some performance parts for this transmission.


Part # Part Name Description
92717CK Differential Pinion Shaft and Retainer Kit Case Saver - Kit eliminates the cross shaft pin from being dislocated from the final drive, causing case damage and possibly sending the vehicle out of control.

A92100HPK PowerPack Clutch Kit (Alto) 41TE / A604 1990-On Overdrive Clutch Pack. PowerPacks are specially engineered clutch packs designed with additional clutches to increase friction plate capacity. This capacity increase enables torque load to spread over more friction area, resulting in a clutch pack that can handle higher torque load with reduced heat generation.

A92114PK CaseSaver Clutch Kit (Alto) 41TE / A604 1990-On Low/Reverse Clutch Pack with Case Saver Clips. The spline of steel separator plates can work back and forth to permanently damage the case, causing delayed engagement and ATF metal contamination. CaseSavers not only prevent this from happening again but allow reuse of the damaged case.
A92570K Planetary Upgrade Kit Overdrive Clutch Hub with Heavy Duty Shaft, Front Sun Gear and Planetary. ( Upgrades 1989 - 95) Also covers A-606.

A92741T-2 Boost Valve Bushing / Sleeve. This sleeve is hardened and resists wear that causes converter failure.

D92420B Solenoid Solenoid Block. 1999-up. Will also retrofit all earlier models. Must follow instructions in box. Retrofit is offered because early A-604 solenoids created undesirable noise during operation.

S92741PK Valve Kit - Switch Valve and Regulator Sleeve Includes a new switch valve to control the flow entering the converter, and regulator bias valve to prevent the pressure spike. This eliminates lockup piston deflection caused by excessive apply pressure.

T92165 Shift Kit Heavy Duty and Normal Use. 1989-UP (TransGo) Contains accumulator, valve body and case parts. Also covers A-606.

Racersteve is currently working on a kit for the 4SPD as well. you can piece it together from what I posted above. Also the 4SPD owns the 3SPD in that once you build it up you can keep the locking TQ converter and it gets better millage then the 3SPD.

OH, yea sorry have to.
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AHHHHHHHHHH it all makes sense now. I would be defending an Automatic neon too if I had just bought one. :roll:
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Post by blue demon02 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 1:23 am

I've got all the bolt ons I can do to it (except the mag intake manifold or equivalent) and it's just loud... REALLY loud. My woman hates it.[/quote]

You do not have enough mods for your car to be noticeably quicker. All the ones you have so far are dependent on three very important mods. Ported head, bigger cam, and better intake manifold. Once you do that it will get a lot better. I do agree that the ATX as it comes in the neon with the programing as it is sucks for performance. But with some mods and better tuning it will be every bit as quick. Any neon is going to take some work to make it better. Just bolting on some parts and then being mad cause it isn't all fast can't be blamed on the transmission.

But agreed back on topic. To finish of my last post in this thread (tired of listening to junior being an idiot) I have learned the hard way in the past you want things to last and work they way there suppose to do it right the first time. Cutting corners will only cause issues in the future. If you want to save the couple thousand and buy the e-bay turbo kit then turn around and spend that and then some later fixing all the things wrong with it go ahead I sure wouldn't!
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Post by excon » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:10 am

this thread is starting to turn into the one about ATX neon owners uniting...

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Post by racer12306 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 12:32 pm

FYI: 2002 Neons did come with 4 speed autos.
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Post by Anatoly » Fri Oct 17, 2008 4:20 pm

Y would u buy a cheap Ebay kit man? I actually had 2 deal with Ebay kits before. One of the dude decided to get one for his 3G Eclipse ....
Ebay kits are very poor in quality, u'd run into all bunch of fitting problems, + look at the price man, $900 ? common man ...

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Post by n20sxt » Fri Oct 17, 2008 5:25 pm

Anatoly wrote:Y would u buy a cheap Ebay kit man? I actually had 2 deal with Ebay kits before. One of the dude decided to get one for his 3G Eclipse ....
Ebay kits are very poor in quality, u'd run into all bunch of fitting problems, + look at the price man, $900 ? common man ...
i woudnt go with ebay for the WHOLE kit but buying individual parts is a great cheap way to get what you need IE oil lines, fittings, intercooler, piping, even turbo if you can get a deal... just good luck finding a manifold, just modify your stock one to work, i did it and it turned out perfect.
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Post by BlackRoseRacing » Sun Oct 19, 2008 10:51 am

This topic is going no where. All this topic has accomplished is starting arguments on what is better than what.

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