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has anyone hear of a sts setup

Post by drftz31 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 8:02 pm

its a rear mount turbo, i have seen it on a tc, and lot or other cars, i'm planing to turbo my 05sxt. But i dont want the same setup like everyone else (srt-4). I have nothing against the set up. i just want to be a little dirfferent from all the other neons. So i was woundering if anyone has done one of these set ups. On NEON
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Post by LionheartedSXT » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:20 pm

Your going to need to be a little more specific on what your talking about, because all turbos on neons are mounted in the rear. Don't see how it was done on a tc considering the fact that their headers are in the front...

But yea pics of what your talking about would help...
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Post by Chris's 02 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:39 pm

the only car i've ever noticed that has a turbo somewhere other than the rear of the engine are nissans...
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Post by drftz31 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:45 pm

rear mount turbo are in the back of the car. not in the motor. or in the back of it like the srt 4. i guess no one knows what im talking about, which would make a first. thats a good and bad thing. i guess all i tell ya is go to you tube , look at rear mount turbos.
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Post by torrent09 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:48 pm

i watched a show were they put a twin turbo on the rear of a vette it was back almost by the exhaust outlets. idk is that what your talking about??

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Post by [DJ]Tomski » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:00 pm

i know what you're talking about. it's the squires turbo system. mostly done to v8s but a universal kit is offered too. instead of having the turbo in the engine bay it is located by the rear axles of the vehicle. pretty neat idea imo. heres the website www.ststurbo.com
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Post by LionheartedSXT » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:03 pm

Ok well that helped, I think I see what your saying. I have seen a 350z in my area that had the most unusual turbo setup, kinda sleeper if you ask me. He had a small tube running on the right side of his car to the back which struck me as odd because that is too small for an exhaust. After looking under the rear of the car I saw that he had welded a turbo in between the stock muffler and end tip and that pipe running back there was IC piping. Why, I am not sure, but it was very different indeed, if that is what your referring to, it doesn't seem to be that hard IMO. Just get longer IC piping and have a good welder in mind...

Edit: If your doing it custom that is. But the website tomski provided is also a good start as well...
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Post by sxtdude » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:28 pm

From what I've heard the systems work fairly well but a a little less responsive due to being farther from the engine. But since they do not sit in the engine bay they stay cooler. Kinda a neat Idea but you also have the risk of road debris, curbs, etc... hitting the turbo. Would be original though. Good Luck Tell us how it goes if you do it. -Andrew

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Post by Guard1an » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:41 am

I was also thinking about this for a while, they say on the site you really don't even need a muffler because of the turbo placement, think about it, nice long tube header, 2 1/2" pipe straight back * under the tranny hump* turbo mounted just before the rear axle, over the axle bend in the exhaust, single exit muffler....... drool lol

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Post by Adionik » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:38 am

I wouldn't want anything in common with a scion tc. Unless I was dating a hot girl with a scion tc.

I've seen teh rear mount turbo's youre talking about...but on Z06's. Looks kinda dangerous IMO, I like it in the engine bay not waaay int he back
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Post by drftz31 » Tue Nov 11, 2008 1:49 am

thanks to everyone, yes thats what im talking about. i want to run this set up since i live in vegas. every neon here in vegas has the same set up. so why not be alittle different. i'll let everyone know how it turned out when i start and finish the set up. i should be one of the first to have a rear turbo mount on a 4 banger car. i got the idea from a magazine i was looking at. it had a twin turbo set up in the trunk, but of course a mustang.
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Post by Adionik » Tue Nov 11, 2008 2:12 am

Loads of fabrication and money in the name of being "different" isn't worth the headache IMO.

It's like the twin turbo DCR set up. Yeah, it's different but you can easily make more power with a big turbo for less money.
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Post by esteinmaier » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:53 am

You spool later with the same sized turbo, and oiling becomes a difficult task instead of the routine "throw some fittings on and drill a hole in the oil pan". The problem is that the hotter air is, the more it expands, and by the time the exhaust reaches the back of the car, it's several hundred degrees cooler. So expect the average turbo to spool 1000RPM later, and expect to wait longer for the power once you mash the gas from the added volume of charge piping.
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Post by Mr Josh Zombie » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:05 pm

I've seen this set up on about 15-20 different cars now. Ranging from newer Vettes to cobalts.

do it and let everyone know how it works. I've never seen one on a neon personally.
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Post by n20sxt » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:17 pm

i read that you cant push as many pounds as you can with a normal setup, only 5-10. should be difficult but at the same time pretty cool, good luck with the project :)
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Post by esteinmaier » Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:31 pm

Not true at all. You can make 40psi on a rear mount setup. It's just that your turbo choices are limited with a small displacement motor if you ever want to spool it. That's why you see it on V8s more often. They have a much easier time spooling with 6 liters than 2.
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Post by occasional demons » Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:14 pm

esteinmaier wrote:You spool later with the same sized turbo, and oiling becomes a difficult task instead of the routine "throw some fittings on and drill a hole in the oil pan". The problem is that the hotter air is, the more it expands, and by the time the exhaust reaches the back of the car, it's several hundred degrees cooler. So expect the average turbo to spool 1000RPM later, and expect to wait longer for the power once you mash the gas from the added volume of charge piping.

esteinmaier wrote:Not true at all. You can make 40psi on a rear mount setup. It's just that your turbo choices are limited with a small displacement motor if you ever want to spool it. That's why you see it on V8s more often. They have a much easier time spooling with 6 liters than 2.
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6 liters willl keep the exhaust temps up better than two also. I can imagine that would have some serious turbo lag. If your going for a salt flats run, it may be optimal for that.
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Post by n20sxt » Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:04 pm

esteinmaier wrote:Not true at all. You can make 40psi on a rear mount setup. It's just that your turbo choices are limited with a small displacement motor if you ever want to spool it. That's why you see it on V8s more often. They have a much easier time spooling with 6 liters than 2.

im just quoting from a book i read thats a pretty in depth book about turbocharging...

" The primary downside to remote-mount turbos, however is that they usually provide somewhat lower performance levels than a traditional turbocharger. Typically sized to generate only 5-10 psi,......"
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Post by gilly02le » Wed Nov 12, 2008 6:16 am

Squires Turbo Systems. Which is what S.t.s stand's for. Do some Reading, these setups seems to run quite well, they also do not need an intercooler because the charge piping is so long. They do say it will spool slightly slower, but go and look at some of the cars with an sts turbo kit, they haul ass. This is definitely something for ppl with no extra room under the hood. These Turbo's just replace the muffler on most setups.

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n20sxt wrote:
esteinmaier wrote:Not true at all. You can make 40psi on a rear mount setup. It's just that your turbo choices are limited with a small displacement motor if you ever want to spool it. That's why you see it on V8s more often. They have a much easier time spooling with 6 liters than 2.

im just quoting from a book i read thats a pretty in depth book about turbocharging...

" The primary downside to remote-mount turbos, however is that they usually provide somewhat lower performance levels than a traditional turbocharger. Typically sized to generate only 5-10 psi,......"
Note that it says typically sized, not limited to.



These systems are very effective on F Bodies and Vettes. That is all I've seen videos of.
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Post by drftz31 » Wed Nov 12, 2008 8:23 pm

whicjh is true, you do it see it on the f bodies and mustangs, which i have seen a twin turbo rear mount setup. thats where i got the idea from. here in vegas people laugh at us, their like silly lil neon that cant go fast. which isnt true at all. the rear mount setup is perfect for me. not to many people know about this. but why not get it a try. which i will. i know it will take alot of work. turbos are hard on motors that are daliy drivers. i have one problem, i hear that the heat will make the car run like crap if its a turbo because of the hot air.


if you do some research, you will see that the rear setup turbos run a lot cooler but take long to spool. cooler air + fuel = a bit more power, less vegas heat to run the turbo under the car near the back. the normal setup has alot more power but more heat from the motor and the outside. everyone does make some great points on both, like dirt, water and other outside elments with the rear mount set up. i want to say thanks to everyone with their comments. im gald to know that i may be the first to run the setup on this forum but that could also be my down fall.
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Post by esteinmaier » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:09 pm

drftz31 wrote:whicjh is true, you do it see it on the f bodies and mustangs, which i have seen a twin turbo rear mount setup. thats where i got the idea from. here in vegas people laugh at us, their like silly lil neon that cant go fast. which isnt true at all. the rear mount setup is perfect for me. not to many people know about this. but why not get it a try. which i will. i know it will take alot of work. turbos are hard on motors that are daliy drivers. i have one problem, i hear that the heat will make the car run like crap if its a turbo because of the hot air.


if you do some research, you will see that the rear setup turbos run a lot cooler but take long to spool. cooler air + fuel = a bit more power, less vegas heat to run the turbo under the car near the back. the normal setup has alot more power but more heat from the motor and the outside. everyone does make some great points on both, like dirt, water and other outside elments with the rear mount set up. i want to say thanks to everyone with their comments. im gald to know that i may be the first to run the setup on this forum but that could also be my down fall.
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Post by Guard1an » Wed Nov 12, 2008 9:33 pm

also something you can do to help with heat is use the thermotec wraps around the header, and down the entire pipe and wrap the exhaust side of the turbo and try and run the intercooler piping on the other side of the "trans tunnel" opposite the turbo exhaust piping. Good luck I hope it works out well, please let us know, this could actually be a better alternative to a srt swap ;)

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Post by occasional demons » Thu Nov 13, 2008 3:18 pm

drftz31 wrote: im gald to know that i may be the first to run the setup on this forum but that could also be my down fall.
I wouldn't call it a down fall, just a learning experience. If ppl didn't try stuff out, we wouldn't have near the things we now take for granted. If you have the ways and means, go for it.
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Post by Ntyvirus1 » Tue Nov 18, 2008 8:40 am

in theory couldnt u fab up some kind of plate to put under the turbos to guard it from debris and such?
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Post by esteinmaier » Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:54 pm

Ntyvirus1 wrote:in theory couldnt u fab up some kind of plate to put under the turbos to guard it from debris and such?
Nope. Can't be done. :lol:
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Post by lambostealth » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:09 pm

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I don't know or remember how or why, I think it was the MUCH lower temps, but, Rick, the owner, had told me that these systems make almost twice as much power per pound of boost, and spool time is A NON ISSUE!!!! these systems spool pretty damn quick, watch a few vids of these things in action.
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Post by c987long » Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:43 pm

my buddy just ordered the stage 2 set for his 00 bmw 328i, he is going to have tms put it on when he gets his header, so hopefully it will work
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Post by hul kogan » Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:14 am

lambostealth wrote:My old Neon before someone totaled it for me.......
that's pretty cool. was this car before the black one, or did you repaint it? i don't recall.

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