Justin brought this to my attention

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:08 am

Justin and i were talkin bout reasons why we didnt do the things we did..well i tried weed when i was younger but have never touched it since i was 17..and well he reminded me of what our city has become..here is the link check it out if you'd like..

this actually makes me mad, cuz i dont think the city really cares about the people that they have in it..

http://www.ldnews.com/fastsearchresults/ci_4135691

2003silverneonsxt · Post by **2003silverneonsxt** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:26 am

hence the reason i never did that, i never even smoked a cigarette in my life...

i do drink they..but i only drink stuff that i know whats in it...

just how i am

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:30 am

just hope it dont get to the younger ones..but as they always say young ones are the ones to die first over this shit..

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:02 am

Mmmm... Weeeed.

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:21 am

03sxt wrote:Mmmm... Weeeed.

lol, i never drewled when i did weed

jT · Post by jT » Sun Aug 06, 2006 3:48 am

you know.. disagree if you wish.. but anyone so farked up that they are injecting drugs.. deserves to OD.

smoking, snorting, popping pills is all one thing.. but when you go to that level of having to inject drugs who the fuk cares what happens to you.. certainly not me.

the way i see it is you now have 150 less pieces of scum in the philly area..

the brainiacs of government in my area have propossed and i believe have passed legislation to create needle drop boxes where junkies can go to exchange for clean needles..

one of their reasons behind it was to help prevent the spread of aids. stop aids but enable them to shoot up with a clean needle.

wheres the government stepping in to make sure i can get a fair sized bag of quality weed? thats about the same thing

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 4:01 am

first off..im not gonna get pist off right away, but i care cuz i lost my father to drugs..I lost a best friend cuz she was depressed, granted that may not be because of drugs we still dont know why, and i lost one of my boys matt this past year to drugs..Its not only the heroine thats killin them its the pain killer..Philly isnt all the f**ked up..You gottah kno where to be in philly to get mixed up in that...I went to school there when i was kicked out of my home school..Reading is one of the top worse citys in america..It is over rating philly more than you think..Another thing is that weed doesnt kill you or my sister and mother would already be dead.. Its not the peoples fault.I got neices and nephews and in laws that live in philly and they are not scum.Do you realize how hard it is to stop something you addicted too..No..Before justin n my city was better than this..You were able to go out @ night with out having to worry..Now we gottah watch where our children and siblings play. I have a 3.5 year old god daughter that is livin in the worst part of this city and i see her every week and hold her cuz im scared for her..There is nothing we can do..That is why people have test done..Honestly if you dont care bout people that you are just sheisty..im sorry to piss anyone off with this but i wanted people to see whats goin on across america

OB · Post by OB » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:25 am

Ill have to agree, people who do drugs indeed deserve whats coming to them. Family members aside, anyone who does something like that and makes that decision is weak and doesnt deserve sympathy. If theyre going thru hard times, they should wake the fuck up and learn to deal with problems like the rest of us. I smoke cigarettes, and ill admit that its mainly because of addiction, but its also a way to relieve stress. I dont deserve anyones pity or 'help', its my decision. drugs and alcohol are no different. ive had many people in my life, some very close, succumb to a life or a time in their lives to drugs, but it makes me all the stronger, and ive learned from it.

Steaks · Post by **Steaks** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:29 am

I think it is both ways. You can't just walk away and say FUCK HIM cause then they will never know that someone is there for them when they feel like they want to try and stop. A lot of them like itbut don't like the addiction and know they are killing themselves. We need to be able to help them with open arms and not just leave them there to rot saying, "Hey you wanted to do it man. SO, fuck off" I mean I have a few buddies ADDICTED to weed. Now I know it isn't a physical addiction but it is still an addiction and I have told them that they should slow down and that when they decide they need some help I can help them find it. They, of course, were pissed off when I told them I thought they had a problem but at least now they know I will be there for them when they have no one else to turn too. That is all you can do cause you can only help those that want to be helped.

My dad is in AA I am very proud of him cause he knew he had a problem and got help. I admit I drink but I have not, so far, had a problem with it. I find that you can only be there for when they fall or when they finally admit they need help. Then you will be the true friend but to say they deserve it is not fair to them cause they are human beings too they fuck up once in awhile it is just that this is one big fuck up. They still deserve a second chance.

scneonchic · Post by **scneonchic** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:33 pm

I never smoked anything, never even wanted to try weed. I see no point.

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:54 pm

thank you steaks..My father in law was in nam and was in the va for rehab and now he is dna counseler..My father did want help, and honestly i blame that on me, cuz i did not like his wife and i did not wanna be there for him when he needed me, but when it was to late to help it was way too late..but i didnt write this to get sympathy on my town i wrote this to see whats happening to america..

back to justin n my city..honestly this is how it use to be.. you were able to keep your house doors unlocks windows unlock in the house, and you use to be able to keep your car windows down and unlocked with out anyone fucking with them now you cant..

Nick Drake · Post by **Nick Drake** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:04 pm

Why is anyone talking about weed? That article was about laced heroin. Granted, our bodies are made with heroin receptors in our brains from birth, I don't respect heroin users. People should know the risks, and if they didn't know the risks, they've been living under a rock.

Just to throw this in here, because it's one of my pet peeves, I don't see how smoking pot is a bad thing. God forbid people should look down on people who drink or smoke cigarettes like they do about people who smoke weed. Christ, for a plant that has no recorded deaths in it's history, it really has a bad name these days.

That's my rant.

Yes I smoke pot.

blacksapphireneon wrote:i wrote this to see whats happening to america..

And this is coming from someone who is "Ridin Dirty"?

apk2k6 · Post by **apk2k6** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:14 pm

Psh I smoke too, not cigs though, never want to try them. It's only when I'm hanging out with friends though not an everyday thing that I feel I have to do.

Weed doesn't give you lung cancer, and you can't overdose like you can on alcohol or just about any other drug. You'll just go to sleep haha. I'm not a stoner but I'm just saying that I dont see how cigs are legal but weed isnt.

I'll just stick to the patron : )

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:19 pm

there is nothing wrong with smoking pot..My mother in law still sits on the couch and lights her bowl..That doesnt matter..i didnt start this on weed i started this on laced heroin..

i kno a lot more, cuz ive tried different things, when i didnt kno what they were..i was mainly on the whole weed thing..And technically weed is something to prevent you from being sick. And i kno this for reasons.

Post by **Diablo0** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 2:19 pm

Eh.. in response to this story, it's nothing new for here in Cincy so it's a little hard for me to be shocked.

jT · Post by jT » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:36 pm

the only reason weed is illegal is because the government cant control it and tax it (at least in my opinion)

alcohol was illegal until they taxed it and controlled it... driving while drunk is a hell of a lot more dangerous and stupid than driving high but alcohol is legal...

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 5:54 pm

HELLO!!!! THIS IS NOT A PLACE TO COME AND TALK ABOUT DRUGS JESUS PETES! I PUT THIS UP SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE WORLD BUT I GUESS A LOT OF PEOPLE DONT CARE..WELL ME IM JUST TO KINDHEARTED AND I LIKE TO CARE ABOUT PEOPLE. THATS WHY I LOOK OUT FOR THE CREW..BUT I DID NOT PUT THIS UP FOR A DRUG CHAT..IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ALCOHOL OR WEED

Nick Drake · Post by **Nick Drake** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:12 pm

Good lookin' out, I'll be sure not to get my heroin in philly.

apk2k6 · Post by **apk2k6** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:15 pm

Haha ya for real. I live in Orlando so this is normal. People here have been getting this horse sterilizer in drinks at clubs and it sterilizes them for life, meaning they can't have kids.

2003silverneonsxt · Post by **2003silverneonsxt** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 7:51 pm

Nick Drake wrote:Good lookin' out, I'll be sure not to get my heroin in philly.

too bad we live closer to harrisburg then philly

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 8:22 pm

I think instead of saying lets just get rid of those who do drugs or let them die or kill themselves off, maybe we should embrace and love these people because that is truely what they need. ALL people who use drugs are trying to fill a void in their heart. The fill is temporary, and goes away after a while, then the need arises to fill it again, but this time it the same amount of drug does not do the trick. Eventually, they search for something stronger.

Most drug users have problems much deeper than drugs. I knew a man who at the age of 16 tried heroin for the first time - he got hooked and was a mess for over 20 years. Than poof! he got clean. 6 years later, he is still clean and is a contributing member of society. He got clean because he found something else to fill the void in his heart - Jesus. But without preaching to you all, let me take a little different route.

If the man above that I speak of had not met someone who said, "I do not care what you have done, or are doing, I love you as you are. Come, find something new, work, live, become clean, and live a new life" this man would have died. He is also a man who is someone's son, friend, nephew, grandson, father...

To say that these people should be done with or what not, is wrong. I think the main problem with America today is just that attitude. I think if we had more love in this place we wouldn't have problems like we do today.

my 2 pennies

bige1030 · Post by **bige1030** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:13 pm

Rock on man

That's precisely what we need - more love - in this world.

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Well said..That is the kinda people that we need in the world more kind hearted people and thats what i am..And i love more than i hate..granted i can hate some ppl but not a lot..

Neonix · Post by **Neonix** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:10 am

I've never done any kind of drug, and never had the urge to.

I don't agree with the masses here, just because someone has a problem with an addiction (whatever it may be) doesn't mean you should just have the attitude of they're better off dead and deserve it. People have problems, not everyone knows how to deal with their problems, which is why they need help. Thank God not everyone has that attitude otherwise we'd probably be in worse shape then we already are.

blacksapphireneon · Post by **blacksapphireneon** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:15 am

Thank god someone has actually understood what i am saying..Thank you neonix..It took all night to get people to understand wat im talkin bout..

Frizbe · Post by **Frizbe** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:28 am

Neonix wrote:I've never done any kind of drug, and never had the urge to.

I don't agree with the masses here, just because someone has a problem with an addiction (whatever it may be) doesn't mean you should just have the attitude of they're better off dead and deserve it. People have problems, not everyone knows how to deal with their problems, which is why they need help. Thank God not everyone has that attitude otherwise we'd probably be in worse shape then we already are.

+1 on both acounts.

There are people who need help and should get it, but all the drunk drivers in the world should die horible painful deaths. I was the unfortunate witness to a drunk driving related accident, DD got out but the girl he hit.....

jT · Post by jT » Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:46 am

everyone understands what youre trying to say.. but this is america, nobody cares. the only people that do care are the ones who become social workers and shit. average joe doesnt give two shits about anyone else. i know i dont. ill at least go that extra mile and help someone out if i come across a situation (and not many people do.... when my tie rod busted i had no idea what was wrong, but a guy that saw what happened pulled up to where i was able to drive to and helped me get it mickey moused to drive home... god bless that guy, but ive also seen accidents and such where nobody gives a shit and drives off), but as far as real problems go that book can be in someone elses lap. ive got my own problems that i cant deal with to give a rats ass about somebody i dont know.

all the people dying from bad drugs, they should know the risks. when i do my drugs i know what im risking, but thats ok because i want to do them regardless (and no, its not to fill some emptiness or some void in my life, its not because im trying to find love in drugs or whatever dude was preaching about--- i just like them). theres been a couple nights where me and my buddy probably should not have made it through the night with the crazy shit we were doing, but thats all a part of life. you live life just to die, so do what you do.

and frankly, anything that doesnt directly affect "my world", doesnt matter. whats happening in philly certainly doesnt concern me :p the whole israel/lebanon affects me more than philly because that will directly affect my wallet at the pumps

i hope i dont sound too rude, just saying how it is.

so, anyone in central ma wanna smoke up?

P

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:25 am

You do realize that what you said was hypocritical? You sound just like every drug addict I have ever been around - including myself. One day I hope you open your eyes and figure out that what you are doing is self destructive, and that you are hurting others around you. I am not going to tell you your are a bad person, but what you are doing is bad.

Call it preaching, call it nagging, call it what you want, but the truth is you do not want to see the truth, which is why you do drugs. Saying stuff like "I shouldn't have made it through the night because of what I did" is stupid, not cool. I hope you don't go out in public high either. Bcause even though you think no one may notice or care, they do notice, and think you are an idiot.

I hope that *I* don't come across as rude, but sometimes the truth hurts. And to say you are not filling a void inside is wrong. If you are not, then quit... do not do them anymore. We'll see how well you cope. Good luck with the lifestyle you are choosing, I hope it works out for you because I sure as hell hope you don't have to go through half the crap I went through before my eyes were opened. I sincerely mean that.

jT · Post by jT » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:58 am

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well i didn't want to start any sort of debate of people's ideals or whatnot, but...

1) i'm not an addict, lol. i enjoy the occasional recreational use. and the usage has gone down a LOT because money is tighter than it used to be (if i were an addict i'd find a way to support my habit, such as stealing, robbing, etc). i havent smoked in months, and have done "other" (wont specify because specifics arent important) 2 or 3 times in the last few months. i used to do this "other" every week when we'd go out to the clubs, there was a time that we were doing "it" 2-3 days in a row..

2) some might argue that its self destructive either mentally, medically, whatever-health wise.. but maybe if i were shooting up i'd have reason to worry, theres nothing self destructive that i'm doing.. other than the occasional hit on the wallet ... and nobody around me is getting hurt because the people around me do it or have done it, and understand/are ok with me doing it. the people i care about and that care about me are these people..

3) "Saying stuff like "I shouldn't have made it through the night because of what I did" is stupid, not cool" -- i didnt say it to be cool, i said it as a matter of fact. i enjoyed the night, it was an interesting experience, but the fact is that it could have gone a very different way, and i know that, understand that, but it probably wouldnt stop me from doing it again if the occasion arose.

certain truths can hurt, but this isnt truth. this is your opinion about drug usage vs my opinion about it.... you are generalizing and stereotyping all drug usage upon anyone who uses drugs.. without knowing the person individually or personally or having been around them during the times where drugs are being used. you say i look like an idiot if i go out high, but how do you know what i am like when i am high? its a stereotype because youre anti-drug.

theres also that small fact that drugs affect everyone differently.. it may make one person wacked out of their mind while for another person theres no change. and i definately have first hand knowledge of this circumstance because my buddy would have some sort of effect from something we were doing whereas there would be absolutely nothing for me.

"And to say you are not filling a void inside is wrong. If you are not, then quit... do not do them anymore. We'll see how well you cope."

tell me how i am filling a void, and what void it is that i am filling? again that would be hard since you dont know me, youre just generalizing that all drug users must have some kind of ------ thats missing. girls that turn to sluts with old men because they didnt have a daddy, etc.. or maybe they just like old men and their money.

somewhat funny coinsidence, recently at work this guy started talking to me about god and the bible out of nowhere.. telling me that if i read the bible and all this i would find answers ive been looking for and all this other crap... first prove to me god is real and then maybe ill consider reading that fictional book.. otherwise good luck to you with your faith and what works for you.. (just for the record, i was raised catholic, went to catholic school for 6 or 7 years, went to church, sunday school.. blah blah blah-- doesnt change how i feel now)

theres nothing in my life or in my personality that makes me NEED to use drugs, or think i need to use drugs. i LIKE to use them sometimes. whats your favorite food? stop eating it because you only like it because you have a void to fill. make sense? thats exactly what youre saying. you eat it because you like it, not because you need it.

i dont want to stop using what i use. i could. i havent done anything much in a long time as i said ^^ up there. but i dont want to completely stop. when the occasion comes that its a good time for it then im gonna do it. but i dont come home from work every morning and need to get my fix. but lets say i did stop completely and never touch it again---- there is no cope. my day and night would be exactly the same because thats how my day and night is with or without any drugs.

this has been a long one but i love to debate.. even though its off topic from the original post :p

basically it boils down to personal opinion about usage, and our opinions are on opposite ends of the rainbow.

your view is all drug users are x, y, and x with no exception, mine is that there are users who genuinely just like it, for no other reason than that.

we can still be friends though :p

Nick Drake · Post by **Nick Drake** » Mon Aug 07, 2006 10:20 am

I really wanna say so many things about what you said kc and why I think it's wrong, but I'm going to leave it at this. You don't know everyone who does drugs in the world, so this statement bothers me:

kc2002acr wrote:ALL people who use drugs are trying to fill a void in their heart.

That's all I have to say.

That and....

ibtl.