joelrgr and myself need your help to solve a dispute...

bige1030 · Post by **bige1030** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:54 am

The fact of the matter is that Opi dealt directly with joelrgr and not with his buddy who did the paint job; hence, it is on joelrgr to deliver to Opi an acceptable product. The standard remedy for Opi, in this case, is return of the product for a full refund.

Other remedies will restore Opi to an uninjured position, namely the refund of $195, the entire cost of the paint job. Whether Opi pursues joelrgr or his buddy is strictly his choice, since joelrgr is responsible for delivering a product without defects to Opi.

If joelrgr refunds Opi for the labor of the paint job, he then has a claim against his buddy for the $75 for shoddy work.

When joelrgr's buddy agreed to do the work for $75, he waived his right to be compensated based on the fair market value of his work. Like many have said, an underbid for a job does not waive one of the responsibility to do a good job.

In this case, I voted for a full refund with return of the product because (1) it's the standard remedy in cases like these, and (2) joelrgr and his buddy refuse to refund Opi the full cost of the shoddy paint job.

Now, it's almost time for me to watch my favorite not-so-legal court TV shows: Eye for an Eye. Now, if I were Extreme Akim (judge on that show), my verdict would be for Opi to return the product for a full refund and joelrgr to sport the defective body kit on his car! (Yes, the show is that silly! It's based on getting revenge and "real" justice.)

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:38 am

Alright, after pure fucking hell of getting my car home yesterday, (I'll bitch about it in some other post) Here's 36 pictures of mistakes I found. If you need Hi-res images, PM me. They're all saved in 2078x1980 or something like that. *shrugs*

On to pictures!

IGNORE THE MOUNTING ISSUES! I HAVE YET TO FIND THE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT MOUNTING UP! THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO SHOW HERE IS THE SHODDY JOB JAY DID ON THE PAINT!

Be warned... there are ALOT.

If you want even more pictures, belive me, I can take more.

(you would not belive how hard it is to take pictures of paint runs.

)

Oh, and to J-Villa, we'll deal with this on our own. We're just bringing it to the forums to get everyones opnion. I'll leave feedback as cordinated at the end of all of this. Over-all I'm happy with Joe's attitude towards all of this. And about the paint, my last shop did a show-quality finish for nice and cheap. I had no complants until I sold the bumper.

dblsg · Post by **dblsg** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 9:19 am

wow... thats not even a $75 paint job

, but like i said earlier, you get what you pay for buddy. joe really has no control over the 3rd party and yeah, i would be pissed too... but honestly, why should he suffer for someone else's f-up? know what i mean?

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:10 am

^ The two old guys fold their arms and smile wisely while nodding their heads in agreement....

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:59 am

bige1030 wrote:The fact of the matter is that Opi dealt directly with joelrgr and not with his buddy who did the paint job; hence, it is on joelrgr to deliver to Opi an acceptable product. The standard remedy for Opi, in this case, is return of the product for a full refund.

Other remedies will restore Opi to an uninjured position, namely the refund of $195, the entire cost of the paint job. Whether Opi pursues joelrgr or his buddy is strictly his choice, since joelrgr is responsible for delivering a product without defects to Opi.

If joelrgr refunds Opi for the labor of the paint job, he then has a claim against his buddy for the $75 for shoddy work.

When joelrgr's buddy agreed to do the work for $75, he waived his right to be compensated based on the fair market value of his work. Like many have said, an underbid for a job does not waive one of the responsibility to do a good job.

In this case, I voted for a full refund with return of the product because (1) it's the standard remedy in cases like these, and (2) joelrgr and his buddy refuse to refund Opi the full cost of the shoddy paint job.

Now, it's almost time for me to watch my favorite not-so-legal court TV shows: Eye for an Eye. Now, if I were Extreme Akim (judge on that show), my verdict would be for Opi to return the product for a full refund and joelrgr to sport the defective body kit on his car! (Yes, the show is that silly! It's based on getting revenge and "real" justice.)

ehhhh smart I mean.

dinetuner · Post by **dinetuner** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:13 am

grambo wrote:^ The two old guys fold their arms and smile wisely while nodding their heads in agreement....

...wise?!

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:47 am

sheeit I'm like a friggin Ginger Yoda.....

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:03 pm

My .02..... thoese kits fit our cars like poo. i have a current gap on mines that is covered by the rubber on the headlights as previously stated.

About the paint deep down inside i feel you should get your money back but on the other side it is a $75 paint job i mean heck thats not too bad for $75 bucks ...now if you paid $400+ for a paint job then thats a problem.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 1:07 pm

ok what i don't understand is you have 36 some pictures of damages....but those damages are plainy visible and would have been scene just picking it up to go from one car to another....i think a blind man could see all that....

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:44 am

So, I spent a few hours drilling holes, mounting, so on and so forth. I got the front bumper to line up for the most part... I just can't seem to get rid of that headlight gap. It's ALOT smaller, but it's still slightly visable.

The rear bumper I got the fender lines to line up, but around the tail lights there's still a gap on both sides. Sides I'm not going to bother with mounthing, becuase it'll have to be taken off for paint anyways.

I imagine a good body shop can take over what I started and get it to look that much better. I just got a new credit card yesterday, so hopefully I can get my car into paint -soon-.

Joe, by the looks of it, more of the people on here think i should get my $75 back... so how about it? Am I ever going to see it or no?

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 6:31 pm

I typed out a response but then read this and couldn't agree more, this is 100% on right IMO.

bige1030 wrote:The fact of the matter is that Opi dealt directly with joelrgr and not with his buddy who did the paint job; hence, it is on joelrgr to deliver to Opi an acceptable product. The standard remedy for Opi, in this case, is return of the product for a full refund.

Other remedies will restore Opi to an uninjured position, namely the refund of $195, the entire cost of the paint job. Whether Opi pursues joelrgr or his buddy is strictly his choice, since joelrgr is responsible for delivering a product without defects to Opi.

If joelrgr refunds Opi for the labor of the paint job, he then has a claim against his buddy for the $75 for shoddy work.

When joelrgr's buddy agreed to do the work for $75, he waived his right to be compensated based on the fair market value of his work. Like many have said, an underbid for a job does not waive one of the responsibility to do a good job.

In this case, I voted for a full refund with return of the product because (1) it's the standard remedy in cases like these, and (2) joelrgr and his buddy refuse to refund Opi the full cost of the shoddy paint job.

Also, to joe, did your buddy who paitned this kit help paint your car? If so it's ovious that he can do better work and slacked off on this paint job.

joelrgr · Post by **joelrgr** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:14 pm

SILVER-ES wrote:Also, to joe, did your buddy who paitned this kit help paint your car? If so it's ovious that he can do better work and slacked off on this paint job.

Yes he did paint my car, he's painted alot of the cars around here in my old "car club" lol Ill post pics later on here as a add-on that he DOES infact know what he's doing, but like i said dropped the ball bigtime on this, BIG TIME...

Opi, the $75 is not coming from Jay, he's made his mind up and is holding at it. It looks like the material cost i refunded you $120.03 has cleared so that's that there. The votes are 6/6, if it is honestly that big of an issue with you I can possiblyrefund you half of his $75, again out of my pocket, but it wont be until after i get moved. As i mentioned to you im in middle of a move and it's taking alot of my time dealing with, AND on top of that all, my girlfriend's grandmother just died and ive been back and forth between work, sleep, work, visitation, sleep, funeral, work, etc...very stressfull month so far... I would like to see taillight gap pics if you could, may be able to help you with fitting it, ideas and what not. Had only the gap on pass side that i showed you when i showed u that corner that i had to fix.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 9:54 pm

Well, kick Jay in the face becuase he did this shitty of a job.

(no, that is not a personal attack on you. It's a personal attack on his poor attitude and sub-par paint skills.)

In terms of money, I'll check around at shops, see what I'm quoted... go from there. Hell, I'll take your buddy Jay to court if I have to. (No, I'm honestly not joking there either. Gotta love having a family lawyer.) I don't want money out of your pocket any more, I want money out of his.

I'll take pictures later. How big of a gap was there on the taillights for you? In terms of inches per-say. The driver side there's less than 1/4 inch, the passenger.... quite large. Everything else is looking good though.

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:20 pm

joelrgr wrote:Yes he did paint my car, he's painted alot of the cars around here in my old "car club" lol Ill post pics later on here as a add-on that he DOES infact know what he's doing, but like i said dropped the ball bigtime on this, BIG TIME...

I thought so, because your car has always looked good. Any idea why he dropped the ball so bad?

I also have to give both of you alot of credit, this is being handled much better then it could be. Although, it would be alot more fun to read the other way around.

dinetuner · Post by **dinetuner** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:25 am

joelrgr wrote:Yes he did paint my car, he's painted alot of the cars around here in my old "car club" lol Ill post pics later on here as a add-on that he DOES infact know what he's doing, but like i said dropped the ball bigtime on this, BIG TIME...

Opi, the $75 is not coming from Jay, he's made his mind up and is holding at it. It looks like the material cost i refunded you $120.03 has cleared so that's that there. The votes are 6/6, if it is honestly that big of an issue with you I can possiblyrefund you half of his $75, again out of my pocket, but it wont be until after i get moved. As i mentioned to you im in middle of a move and it's taking alot of my time dealing with, AND on top of that all, my girlfriend's grandmother just died and ive been back and forth between work, sleep, work, visitation, sleep, funeral, work, etc...very stressfull month so far... I would like to see taillight gap pics if you could, may be able to help you with fitting it, ideas and what not. Had only the gap on pass side that i showed you when i showed u that corner that i had to fix.

dont pay for your friends mistakes

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:50 am

SILVER-ES wrote:I typed out a response but then read this and couldn't agree more, this is 100% on right IMO.

Also, to joe, did your buddy who paitned this kit help paint your car? If so it's ovious that he can do better work and slacked off on this paint job.

but he also did pick it up and didn't look it over...this whole situation would of been prevented right there....but other than that i kinda agree but don't...i still think it's the old rule of you get what you pay for

KrackstaR · Post by **KrackstaR** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:53 am

^ you said it there you cant get a car show finish for $75

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:15 pm

You're right, you can't get a show car finish for $75. However, if Opi is presented with Joe's car as an example of his buddy's work and then is quoted $75 for a paintjob by the same guy that is very misleading.

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 11:00 am

Just wanted to let everyone know, we came to an agreement.

I got $120 refunded back, and I'll be paying for shipping to get his SRT rear exhaust.

So, in the end, everything worked out.

2GN.ORG

joelrgr and myself need your help to solve a dispute...

Should my money be refuneded?