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This person knows nothing. Cold air does not have more "O2" by volume. Temperature directly relates to the speed at which the molecules are moving. Imagine you're heating up water over a stove in a closed container. The water becomes hotter, but you don't lose any water molecules. If you turn the stove off, it becomes cold, but water molecules don't magically just appear.mikehelms wrote:
heathenbrewing wrote:
mikehelms wrote:
Cold dense air is for increasing horsepower, not MPG. Warm air would do just the opposite, reduce power but increase MPGs.
If power is increased, then it would take less fuel (and air) in total to keep the car moving at the same speed, no?
Cheers,
-- Mike
I think increasing power would require more fuel, not less.
My understanding is that cold air has more O2 by volume as compared to warm air, so you can stuff more fuel into the cylinder while maintaining the proper air/fuel ratio. Thats one reason why the go-fast people like it.
The warmer air from your engine compartment is better for fuel economy because is has less oxygen molecules than a cold air charge. This increases your fuel efficency, but decreases your horsepower.
Cold air = more power, and you use less of the accelerator pedal, which is basically the throttle control. Less use of the pedal = (basically) closed throttle plate. Closed throttle plate means a restriction of the "air pump, or intake" - you have a pumping loss in that air is not getting in efficiently.
Warm air = less power, and you use more of the accelerator pedal, which is basically a throttle control. More use of the pedal = a more open throttle plate. Open throttle plate means there is less of a blockage thats letting the air in, reducing the pumping loss.
At wide open throttle, you have (basically) no pumping loss at the throttle plate. so warm air intakes wont do anything here. But unless 55mph makes you have to floor it to keep going 55, a warm intake will do something. That something depends on the vehicle.
Prost!,
Keith
Lol nice. My buddy has a 1gn xB. He has a scangauge II hooked up and removed the snorkel-uberestrictive intake pipe and he said the intake air temp jumped over 100F. You can have all sorts of scientific-chemistry debates about it, but it doesn't sound good for the engine to me.I did try a K&N but saw no increase in mileage, so I went back to paper filters since they filter better than the K&Ns do.
AHHHHHHHHHHZeroChad wrote:Nutmeg: P*V=n*R*T
Um, cold air does have more oxygen per given volumetric unit than warmer air. A gas expands and contracts exponentially compared to a liquid.Nutmeg wrote:This person knows nothing. Cold air does not have more "O2" by volume. Temperature directly relates to the speed at which the molecules are moving. Imagine you're heating up water over a stove in a closed container. The water becomes hotter, but you don't lose any water molecules. If you turn the stove off, it becomes cold, but water molecules don't magically just appear.mikehelms wrote:
heathenbrewing wrote:
mikehelms wrote:
Cold dense air is for increasing horsepower, not MPG. Warm air would do just the opposite, reduce power but increase MPGs.
If power is increased, then it would take less fuel (and air) in total to keep the car moving at the same speed, no?
Cheers,
-- Mike
I think increasing power would require more fuel, not less.
My understanding is that cold air has more O2 by volume as compared to warm air, so you can stuff more fuel into the cylinder while maintaining the proper air/fuel ratio. Thats one reason why the go-fast people like it.
The warmer air from your engine compartment is better for fuel economy because is has less oxygen molecules than a cold air charge. This increases your fuel efficency, but decreases your horsepower.
Cold air = more power, and you use less of the accelerator pedal, which is basically the throttle control. Less use of the pedal = (basically) closed throttle plate. Closed throttle plate means a restriction of the "air pump, or intake" - you have a pumping loss in that air is not getting in efficiently.
Warm air = less power, and you use more of the accelerator pedal, which is basically a throttle control. More use of the pedal = a more open throttle plate. Open throttle plate means there is less of a blockage thats letting the air in, reducing the pumping loss.
At wide open throttle, you have (basically) no pumping loss at the throttle plate. so warm air intakes wont do anything here. But unless 55mph makes you have to floor it to keep going 55, a warm intake will do something. That something depends on the vehicle.
Prost!,
Keith
Some people are stupid. Screw the MPG issue.
Yep, thats says it all..racer12306 wrote:I think hypermiling is stupidZeroChad wrote:Nutmeg: P*V=n*R*T
