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Post by heyitsstock » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:11 pm

im not the head of the political debate team...

but mccain seems like an idiot...
im in for obama

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please dont call each other out on senseless things
keep it reasonable
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Post by jake_tim » Thu Jul 31, 2008 11:22 pm

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Post by jrumann59 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:00 am

heyitsstock wrote:im not the head of the political debate team...

but mccain seems like an idiot...
im in for obama

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please dont call each other out on senseless things
keep it reasonable
Are you for Obama because he paints a rosy picture but forgets to tell you that you will never move from your current economical position because the only way to pay for all his programs is to tax you to hell and back. Or is it because you have listened to and researched each candidate and Obama most closely relates to the way you see everything in the world today.
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Post by gninja21 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:21 am

Honestly either one is fine. The issue is we are in debt as a country, the only way to get it back is through taxes of some form.

After the revolutionary war when Washington was president he was faced with the new country's debt (it was not really a country then but for this topic it makes no difference). John Adams said we need to figure it out, they decided to tax alcohol which led to the Whiskey Rebellion in 1791.

The point is if the United States wants to eliminate it's debt, you cut funding and increase taxes. It sucks but it is for the good of the nation.

I'm just saying that taxes will need to go up no matter if we like it or not. Both McCain and Obama will increase taxes.

I am not knocking anyone's opinion, I'm just saying in order to pay war debts off we must increase taxes. It's happened through history.

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Post by MyNeonSaysHi » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:29 am

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Post by jetas » Fri Aug 01, 2008 12:31 am

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Post by IowaNeon04 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 1:21 am

I don't like either one. But I agree with McCain 30% of the time. I agree with Obama 0% of the time. So I say McCain.

Obama's policies are WAY expensive to fund, and a bit scary in some cases. Its bad enough that our economy is in a slump, but compared to McCain, Obama's spending plans, and tax plans, are much more expensive than McCains (that they have outlined so far anyway).

Besides, I dont trust anyone who has only been to 57 states. LOL.
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Post by kc2005ptgt » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:36 am

Me? McCain, but only because Romney or Huckabee is not running. I vote party line for the most part because the conservative platform (republican) follows more in line with my personal ideals than that of the democrats. I am also not a liberal. From what I saw of Huckabee we lined up on almost every single issue - next was Romney. I actually never considered McCain until he got the GOP nod. I still disagree with him on immigration and his energy policies, but I think the party will get him to change. If anything I am more of an old-school Edmund Burke "imaginative whig" than anything. Or maybe more of a Reagan-ite. Either way, I will never vote for a Clinton, nor will I ever vote for Obama. They are the farthest left in the entire Senate, and last thing I want is European Socialism in my Good ol' U.S.A.

Obama paints a pretty picture, like was said earlier, but he leaves so much out. And unfortunately he is pandering to those who have it made up in their minds that the government "owes" them something. I refuse to pay such high taxes to support people who won't support themselves. I also do not know why he is running on the Democrat ticket - should be the Socialist Party USA. Anyways, I am really tired and will probably have to rethink what I typed tonight, tomorrow.
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Post by Midnight_Rider » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:43 am

jetas wrote:Clinton. Bill Clinton that is...
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Post by hansken_yo » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:36 am

As an independent voter, the Republican party has given itself a black eye through their Fanatical Religious Ideals, their Foreign Policy and general disregard for the American Peoples, just to name a few. McCain speaks of not following our current administration, and yet does not stray anywhere far enough from that path to convince me that this country is going to change from going in that particular down hill direction. Additionally, I do not get the feeling that McCain speaks to all Americans, but rather just republicans. That is the quickest way to loose my vote. In a two party nation our leader should represent the best of both sides as best as he/she can. I do get that feeling from Obama. I also feel that, regardless of the outcome, Obama will bring change. I do not think it could be worse than what we are facing now, but which ever candidate comes into office will be facing a surmountable amount of turmoil in which they will only begin to fix. If raising taxes is the only way at this point to do that then that is what the country will have to face.

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Post by ZeroChad » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:34 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Wow. I'm sure there are similar videos out there for obama, but good lord...take a fucking stance on something and stop buttering both sides.

What I'm really getting sick of is Fox news and CNN continually doggin on Obama. Why not talk more about the candidates issues rather than digging up loose connections that make your network look like a gossip station?

I'm really not sure who I want to vote for yet though. I think Obama would pull a better image for this country mostly due to his excellent skills as an orator.
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Post by Mr Josh Zombie » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:40 am

Unregistered voter until we actually have a decent option for president. :)

I'm sick of all the "lesser of two evils" the presidential race has been over the past several years. Am I doing anything about that? Not really. But then again, I also don't bitch about our president. I have no right too after all.

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Post by King Crab » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:51 am

Republican! I agree with McCain less than I have ever agreed with any other republican running for the presidency. However he will represent my views better than the alternative.
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Post by dbesade » Fri Aug 01, 2008 2:27 pm

King Crab wrote:Republican! I agree with McCain less than I have ever agreed with any other republican running for the presidency. However he will represent my views better than the alternative.
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Post by IowaNeon04 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 3:59 pm

King Crab wrote:Republican! I agree with McCain less than I have ever agreed with any other republican running for the presidency. However he will represent my views better than the alternative.
:withstupid: +100 to that.
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Post by jrumann59 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 6:28 pm

Actually I am conservative by the slimmest margins, my core beliefs are conservative but I don't allow them to affect every decision. When we have terrorist groups and socialistic european gov'ts telling americans that Obama is the one I will vote for his competitor 100% of the time. It scares me when people who could careless about our well being starts backing a candidate.
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Post by Cbussilver01es » Fri Aug 01, 2008 8:53 pm

Im glad that things seem to be civil so far in regards to this. :rockon:

I'll say this much and I'll leave it at that, I think that some politics can be overrated, and too many people just point fingers and play the blame game. Just like in this years campaign and all others before it Sometimes I just wish people instead of saying" Liberals are the devil" or the "The far right are idiots" could just try to work for a compromise for the benefit of everyone, instead of just one party. I mean hey having a difference of opinion is ok but no need to drag each other through mud over it. (A man can wish right)

Personally though (Im sure some people could care less about it and thats fine) , but Im glad that I personally can witness someone from African decent be a nominee for the president. Maybe the walls of racism are beginning to crumble a little bit. This isn't intended to offend anyone so I hope that I don't....



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Post by MoxHair » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:40 pm

Cbussilver01es wrote:There ARE reasons that I don't talk about politics in this years election bc Im sick of hearing about it, I already know who Im voting for and thats all I need to know.
exactly

I don't get into political discussions for the same exact reasons I do not get into Religious discussions. Something about being a Liberal, balanced budget, pro-choice, sarcastic, Atheist really pisses people of.
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Post by glasswars » Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:44 pm

I honestly couldn't give a shit about politics, the election, or who our president is.

Call me stupid, but I honestly just don't care.
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Post by onewickedkid05 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:28 pm

i pretty much dont care either i personally dont like either canidate.......i really do wish bill came back. i would of voted for hillary just so bill would of been that much close lol



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Post by IowaNeon04 » Fri Aug 01, 2008 11:49 pm

onewickedkid05 wrote:i really do wish bill came back. i would of voted for hillary just so bill would of been that much close lol
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Post by heyitsstock » Sat Aug 02, 2008 8:27 am

wow i actually thought this was going to fail...

from a BRIEF understanding of both canidates, I lean to supporting Obi-one

McCain brings up valid points but he just seems like he can hold his own... maybe its just the interveiws and such i see from him.. IDK

after this weekend Ill give a better reply
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Post by King Crab » Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:11 pm

Cbussilver01es wrote:Personally though (Im sure some people could care less about it and thats fine) , but Im glad that I personally can witness someone from African decent be a nominee for the president. Maybe the walls of racism are beginning to crumble a little bit. This isn't intended to offend anyone so I hope that I don't....
Just for the record: I would have absolutely no problem with a President, male or female, of African decent. Just as long as they portrayed my political view points. A few years ago Colin L. Powell was thought that he might throw his hat into the political arena for the Presidency, but sadly that never happened. Colin L. Powell would have been a man I would have supported proudly.
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Post by IowaNeon04 » Sat Aug 02, 2008 4:53 pm

King Crab wrote:
Cbussilver01es wrote:Personally though (Im sure some people could care less about it and thats fine) , but Im glad that I personally can witness someone from African decent be a nominee for the president. Maybe the walls of racism are beginning to crumble a little bit. This isn't intended to offend anyone so I hope that I don't....
Just for the record: I would have absolutely no problem with a President, male or female, of African decent. Just as long as they portrayed my political view points. A few years ago Colin L. Powell was thought that he might throw his hat into the political arena for the Presidency, but sadly that never happened. Colin L. Powell would have been a man I would have supported proudly.
+1 ... The guy was obviously a proven leader, you dont earn your way to becoming a 4-star general otherwise...

How about General Schwarzhoph for President! :thumbup:
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