We're all screwed...

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:41 pm

or if you put something in here mouth you wouldnt have to listen to her. thats what i would do. then her throat would be so sore she wouldnt be able to talk then i could get to business.

latief · Post by **latief** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 2:56 pm

May we never see here again no matter what! Just the thought of her in the white house is scary!

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:03 pm

Unless she's like Monica...

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 3:24 pm

amen brother amen!

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:05 pm

ram50rocket wrote:WTF?????

The first sentance was an adaptation of the uber successful "Smokey the Bear" program. The second one was my intolerance of what seem to be extremely hateful closed minded people. I was talking to some of my repbulican friends today and I was just laughing, one of them actualy said and I quote "That nigger all fucked up the stock market" as if it hasent been fluctuating wildly the past few weeks. People are all ready blaming him for everything, we wait almost 3 years and a over 1,000 murdered inniocent people before anybody said "This Bush guy is kind of an asshole I mean he is fucking up pretty bad"

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:04 pm

I was referring to how you we're talking about my 8 year old son's ass. But the internet is a buffer between my fist and your face. I'm over it.

Cbussilver01es · Post by **Cbussilver01es** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:06 pm

bone-yard-racing wrote: I was talking to some of my repbulican friends today and I was just laughing, one of them actualy said and I quote "That nigger all fucked up the stock market" as if it hasent been fluctuating wildly the past few weeks.

It's a shame that people like that are your friends...

Im going to say this and then Im going to return to lurking and not posting.

All the talk of Obama's middle name or hes a terrorist or anti christ or w/e, I ask if we are the greatest nation in the world, then what is wrong with someone who just so happened to worship Islam? What if Abraham Lincoln's name was actually Abraham Abraham? Would that make him less American? What if John McCain was Jewish, or Buddhist? would that be wrong because and Un- American because he wasn't a christian? I voted for Obama because I viewed him as someone who could relate to me and express my views. I made sure I was educated about the candidates, though I do not agree with him 100% I still felt as if he had my views in mind. I didn't just vote for Obama because Im black and he is too, (like some people implied that I did). That's an insult to my intelligence and makes me feel like less of a person when people make assumptions like that. Regardless of who is president we as Americans need to band together and make sure that things are done with responsibility and accountability.

Lastly this election was historic, and I personally swelled with tears, not because I wanted Obama to win soo bad, but bc as a YOUNG child I remember asking my mom "Why do white people hate us so much" and seeing that for once that some people didn't care about a persons skin color made me fill with pride. I can only imagine what this means to my 84 year old grandmother who grew up in Alabama during the 1940's and 1950's.

thats my .02 cents and now Im back to lurking.

ram50rocket · Post by **ram50rocket** » Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:18 pm

Amen to that, history and overcoming pure ignorance. Just don't take away from our Military.

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:04 am

There's a half-page editorial running in my hometown newspaper today claiming that Obama "earned" the presidency.

Oh really? There's about 50 million voters who disagree with that, and we're voicing our opinions. And that, I believe, is the purpose of that editorial and others like it in liberal-leaning newspapers across the country. The media now has to convince us that Obama won the election on his merits and that he is "worthy" to lead the greatest country on earth. The truth, however, tells a different story.

Obama's main accomplishment is that he beat the Clinton machine. He out campaigned Hillary and secured the Democratic nomination. It wasn't easy, I grant him that. But he had two things in his favor: the media and lots of money.

Toward the end of the Democratic primaries, when things were getting ugly, the media somehow collectively decided that they favored Obama and they let their bias taint their "reporting" (a word I use loosely). Both Hillary and Biden openly criticized Obama and it was during those primary debates that I and the rest of America began to hear about Ayers and Wright. And they both raised doubts about Obama's judgment, his experience, and his readiness to lead. Who can forget Hillary's famous "it's three a.m. and the phone is ringing in the white house" campaign ad. Somehow, Obama managed to escape any real criticism by the media, and instead, they turned on Hillary. The Democratic party split, too, and more began to trickle over to Obama's side and he started raising more money. Obama's ties to ACORN helped, too. When it became clear that Obama would be the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary had to start playing nice, and so did Biden. They both wanted that number two spot. But they couldn't take what they said back. Biden said the presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training. Hillary said McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House while Obama would bring a speech he gave in 2004.
Now, I don't need to recount everything that happened, it's just enough to say that Obama had the money and the media, and that's how he clinched the nomination. He certainly was less experienced, had more baggage and doubts about his past and his connections, and nobody really knew anything about him. But he had charm and charisma, and that, together with the media and the money, was all he needed.

And in the media it was a love fest. Hardly any criticism, only softball questions for Obama, while for the Republican ticket it was open season. They dragged McCain and Palin through the mud and enjoyed every minute of it. Something like 87% of the news media coverage of the Republican ticket was negative, while an equal amount of coverage for Obama was positive. The media bias penetrated even further to the point where they refused to investigate anything negative about Obama and in some cases deliberately kept information from the public (The LA Times' refusal to release the video tape of Obama dining with anti-Israel radicals is only one example).

The media also did a good job demonizing George W. Bush for the past 6 years or so. By choosing to only cover negative news about the war in Iraq, it was easy to shape public opinion. They fueled what has been named "Bush Derangement Syndrome" and it had the impact they were hoping for. When the economy tanked in September it became "the worst economic crisis since the great depression," when it was really just a blip on the radar. Everything was Bush's fault. Blame the Republicans! Never mind Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. The media created an atmosphere in which it would be nearly impossible for a Republican to succeed Bush. I doubt Ronald Reagan himself would have won in the current political culture. Shoot, an empty suit could win...and that's exactly what happened.

Obama didn't need to have detailed plans and programs. He didn't need to prove he was fit to be president. He didn't need to defend his scant record as a one-term Senator. He didn't need any accomplishments under his belt. The fact that he never made one challenging decision in his life didn't matter. He didn't even need to explain his past and his multiple ties to left wing radicals and groups. When the media's on your side, none of that matters. All he had to do was be able to lie with a straight face, read a teleprompter, rehearse a few speeches, and let his handlers come up with some statements that make great sound bites and bumper stickers. Who doesn't want free health care? Who doesn't like to hear a candidate say "lets raise taxes on the rich and give more welfare to the poor." Never mind that the numbers don't add up and that there's a good chance he won't be able to deliver on any of his campaign promises. It sounds good, and it's warm and fuzzy like "hope" and "change" and that's what the people want.

And the money poured in: millions and millions of it, much of it raised illegally. So with all that money, the backing of the media, Bush Derangement Syndrome, and an overly exaggerated "economic crisis," how could he lose? For that matter, how could McCain or any other Republican win?

No, Obama didn't earn the presidency. He was in the right place at the right time with the right circumstances. The presidency was bought and paid for with the help of the media, ACORN, and other left wing groups. Votes were bought with a pack of cigarettes and a ride to the bus station. Votes were bought with the promise of "I'll lower taxes for 95% of all Americans" which translates into welfare checks for the 40% who don't even pay taxes to begin with. "I won't have to work on putting gas in my car, I won't have to work on paying my mortgage. You know, if I help him, he's going to help me." (direct quote from an Obama supporter). And that's really how Obama got a lot of votes: it was a "what's in it for me?" thing. He didn't get votes because he has the experience. He didn't get votes because he has detailed plans about how he would lead the country. He didn't get votes because he has all the right answers to the major foreign relations challenges of our time. No, he got votes because he bought them. He got votes because he had the money and the media on his side. And he got votes because he wasn't George Bush or a Republican. That's it.

And that, my friends, is not earning the presidency.

And if you didn't earn it, you don't deserve it.

Just another reason why Obama will NEVER be my president.

+1

03sxt · Post by **03sxt** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:33 am

*peeks in*

This thread's still going?

*walks away*

Chibits12 · Post by **Chibits12** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:43 am

Same thing could've been said about the 2000 election. Bush didn't win the popular vote but he had a whole lot of money pouring in his campaign 8 years ago.

I followed this election and I swear none of the candidates ever went into details about their plans. Most of what I got from their speeches are either "we'll cut a program somewhere that's obsolete to fund our new plans" or "we won't raise taxes at all."

I'm not a big Obama or Bush fan but it just goes to show that anybody with a lot of money can be a president. Heck, if Governor Schwarzenegger was a natural born citizen, he would become president in a landslide. I don't think anyone, maybe since Lincoln or FDR, deserved the presidency. Lincoln may have suspended the writ of habeas corpus and FDR may have instituted big government programs like the New Deal but they were all done for the good of the country.

I hope we have a better choice of candidates in the future but that probably will never happen. As for Obama, I hope he leads somewhere in the center, not lean too much on the left. But then again, who knows...

Damn, my post count's not getting any higher.

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:44 am

i dont vote.

kthxbi!

Chibits12 · Post by **Chibits12** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:46 am

I voted not to vote. So there ya go.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:47 am

Chibits12 wrote: I hope we have a better choice of candidates in the future but that probably will never happen. As for Obama, I hope he leads somewhere in the center, not lean too much on the left. But then again, who knows...

Damn, my post count's not getting any higher.

Hmm maybe if his party didn't hold such a large portion of both houses. That snap you heard Tuesday night was Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi putting on the gloves because they now have America over a barrell.

Chibits12 · Post by **Chibits12** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 12:57 am

jrumann59 wrote:
Chibits12 wrote: I hope we have a better choice of candidates in the future but that probably will never happen. As for Obama, I hope he leads somewhere in the center, not lean too much on the left. But then again, who knows...

Damn, my post count's not getting any higher.
Hmm maybe if his party didn't hold such a large portion of both houses. That snap you heard Tuesday night was Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi putting on the gloves because they now have America over a barrell.

I also really hope they mean this thing called "bipartisanship" because to me it sounds like a cliche. I hope they don't pass bills like crazy just because they think "it's good for the country" before the next congressional election in 2010...

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:25 am

03sxt wrote:*peeks in*

This thread's still going?

*walks away*

**walks out behind him**

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:36 am

Midnight_Rider wrote:
03sxt wrote:*peeks in*

This thread's still going?

*walks away*
**walks out behind him**

*kicks gramps in the ass, accidentally breaking his hip*

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:40 am

^^:fart1:

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TNK · Post by **TNK** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:41 am

got the walkin farts Gramps? my 94 yr old grandma gets those alot.

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:45 am

**shakes head, realizes that it's just TiNK and he can't help himself, leaves the room

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2003silverneonsxt · Post by **2003silverneonsxt** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 9:51 am

the only thing i have to say about this is...

If you didnt vote you have NO RIGHT to bitch bout anything that happened, if you voted, then yes you are entitled to state your opinion on anything...

i do the same thing at work, someone walks up to me and starts bitching, the first thing i ask them is if they voted, if they say not i tell them to not say another word cause i wont listen..

i for one will admit that i DIDNT vote, i felt that either one of them didnt deserve my vote, and that is just how i feel, im not going to sit here and bitch and complain about obama being president, personally any one is better then G. fuckin retard Bush..

latief · Post by **latief** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:24 am

In response to the article quote above ^^^^^^

"Oh really? There's about 50 million voters who disagree with that, and we're voicing our opinions. And that, I believe, is the purpose of that editorial and others like it in liberal-leaning newspapers across the country. The media now has to convince us that Obama won the election on his merits and that he is "worthy" to lead the greatest country on earth. The truth, however, tells a different story"

64 Million people think he did ^^^^^^^ the media is in favor of Obama? give me a break, the media usually goes for the most outrages, most ludicrous stories, and the McCain-Palin campaign provided plenty of that, especially whenever palin started to talk, or when people say "off with his head", or "he is an arab", and no one stops them.......... and talk about media bias, have you watched the "fair and balanced" network lately ?

"Obama's main accomplishment is that he beat the Clinton machine. He out campaigned Hillary and secured the Democratic nomination. It wasn't easy, I grant him that. But he had two things in his favor: the media and lots of money.

"Toward the end of the Democratic primaries, when things were getting ugly, the media somehow collectively decided that they favored Obama and they let their bias taint their "reporting" (a word I use loosely). Both Hillary and Biden openly criticized Obama and it was during those primary debates that I and the rest of America began to hear about Ayers and Wright. And they both raised doubts about Obama's judgment, his experience, and his readiness to lead. Who can forget Hillary's famous "it's three a.m. and the phone is ringing in the white house" campaign ad. Somehow, Obama managed to escape any real criticism by the media, and instead, they turned on Hillary. The Democratic party split, too, and more began to trickle over to Obama's side and he started raising more money. Obama's ties to ACORN helped, too. When it became clear that Obama would be the Democratic presidential nominee, Hillary had to start playing nice, and so did Biden. They both wanted that number two spot. But they couldn't take what they said back. Biden said the presidency doesn't lend itself to on the job training. Hillary said McCain would bring a lifetime of experience to the White House while Obama would bring a speech he gave in 2004. "

^^^^^^ Hillary did the same mistake McCain did, she looked like an angry, unstable women that looses her 'cool' when under pressure. she cost herself the election by some of her sleazy, unneeded remarks.

"Now, I don't need to recount everything that happened, it's just enough to say that Obama had the money and the media, and that's how he clinched the nomination. He certainly was less experienced, had more baggage and doubts about his past and his connections, and nobody really knew anything about him. But he had charm and charisma, and that, together with the media and the money, was all he needed.

And in the media it was a love fest. Hardly any criticism, only softball questions for Obama, while for the Republican ticket it was open season. They dragged McCain and Palin through the mud and enjoyed every minute of it. Something like 87% of the news media coverage of the Republican ticket was negative, while an equal amount of coverage for Obama was positive. The media bias penetrated even further to the point where they refused to investigate anything negative about Obama and in some cases deliberately kept information from the public (The LA Times' refusal to release the video tape of Obama dining with anti-Israel radicals is only one example)."

Again, ^^^ they forgot about fox (plus talk show radios)...the official McCain-Palin channel, they still have not said one good thing in the favor of Obama, even after he was elected. The media did not, drag McCain-Palin through the mud, they dragged themselves through it. They left no opportunity to critique, and paint Obama with some of the most misleading, and

ing images (anti-semite, terrorist, palling with terrorists, socialist, wealth-spreader, unstable, unknown, dangerous, ....and it goes on). Still, this does not matter, what matters is that they insulted the American people by treating them like idiots. instead of talking about the important crises facing the nation, they flooded our ears with all this crap. I still cannot remember what McCain stands for until this day ?

"The media also did a good job demonizing George W. Bush for the past 6 years or so. By choosing to only cover negative news about the war in Iraq, it was easy to shape public opinion. They fueled what has been named "Bush Derangement Syndrome" and it had the impact they were hoping for. When the economy tanked in September it became "the worst economic crisis since the great depression," when it was really just a blip on the radar. Everything was Bush's fault. Blame the Republicans! Never mind Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. The media created an atmosphere in which it would be nearly impossible for a Republican to succeed Bush. I doubt Ronald Reagan himself would have won in the current political culture. Shoot, an empty suit could win...and that's exactly what happened. "

You are kidding right ?^^^ Poor bush!!!, he was a victim in all of this....

"Obama didn't need to have detailed plans and programs. He didn't need to prove he was fit to be president. He didn't need to defend his scant record as a one-term Senator. He didn't need any accomplishments under his belt. The fact that he never made one challenging decision in his life didn't matter. He didn't even need to explain his past and his multiple ties to left wing radicals and groups. When the media's on your side, none of that matters. All he had to do was be able to lie with a straight face, read a teleprompter, rehearse a few speeches, and let his handlers come up with some statements that make great sound bites and bumper stickers. Who doesn't want free health care? Who doesn't like to hear a candidate say "lets raise taxes on the rich and give more welfare to the poor." Never mind that the numbers don't add up and that there's a good chance he won't be able to deliver on any of his campaign promises. It sounds good, and it's warm and fuzzy like "hope" and "change" and that's what the people want"

He did have detailed plans, at least more detailed than the other side. and so what if he gives people some hope for a change? and so what if poor people get a break? I'd rather have someone give us some hope than scare-us to death everyday...he will not be able to deliver everything, and he said that. but he is a smart and educated person with a team of pragmatic, hardworking people. he does not need to talk to GOD to get directions.........

"And the money poured in: millions and millions of it, much of it raised illegally. So with all that money, the backing of the media, Bush Derangement Syndrome, and an overly exaggerated "economic crisis," how could he lose? For that matter, how could McCain or any other Republican win?"

Raised illegally? would the author like to prove that? people voted with their wallets, enough said!. A republican could have won easily actually, because Obama still had a 'race' disadvantage as could be seen through the post-election polling. the problem is that the republican party decided to direct their message to the far-right, ultra-conservative audience instead of the center where most of the country is ....

No, Obama didn't earn the presidency. He was in the right place at the right time with the right circumstances. The presidency was bought and paid for with the help of the media, ACORN, and other left wing groups. Votes were bought with a pack of cigarettes and a ride to the bus station. Votes were bought with the promise of "I'll lower taxes for 95% of all Americans" which translates into welfare checks for the 40% who don't even pay taxes to begin with. "I won't have to work on putting gas in my car, I won't have to work on paying my mortgage. You know, if I help him, he's going to help me." (direct quote from an Obama supporter). And that's really how Obama got a lot of votes: it was a "what's in it for me?" thing. He didn't get votes because he has the experience. He didn't get votes because he has detailed plans about how he would lead the country. He didn't get votes because he has all the right answers to the major foreign relations challenges of our time. No, he got votes because he bought them. He got votes because he had the money and the media on his side. And he got votes because he wasn't George Bush or a Republican. That's it.

B.S ^^^^^so he bought the votes? give me a break !!! he won a lot of votes because he respected peoples' intelligence and talked to him on a personal level, and with a coherent, clear message. also, the early voting helped him greatly because people whom have been historically secluded from voting got a chance to vote. providing minimal voting facilities and opportunities for lower-income /minority areas has been the oldest trick in the book, and guess which party endorses that?

"And that, my friends, is not earning the presidency.

And if you didn't earn it, you don't deserve it.

Just another reason why Obama will NEVER be my president. "

YES HE DID!!

You should be bridging the gap now, and looking forward instead of running after a conspiracy theory......

Hopefully this country, and the rest of the world will see better days !!!!!

MyNeonSaysHi: No hard feelings bro, this is my response to the article man, not you

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 10:38 am

2003silverneonsxt wrote:the only thing i have to say about this is...

If you didnt vote you have NO RIGHT to bitch bout anything that happened, if you voted, then yes you are entitled to state your opinion on anything...

i do the same thing at work, someone walks up to me and starts bitching, the first thing i ask them is if they voted, if they say not i tell them to not say another word cause i wont listen..

i for one will admit that i DIDNT vote, i felt that either one of them didnt deserve my vote, and that is just how i feel, im not going to sit here and bitch and complain about obama being president, personally any one is better then G. fuckin retard Bush..

You do know that there were atleast 6 parties represented with around 7 people as write in's

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Fri Nov 07, 2008 11:29 am

2003silverneonsxt wrote:the only thing i have to say about this is...

If you didnt vote you have NO RIGHT to bitch bout anything that happened, if you voted, then yes you are entitled to state your opinion on anything...

holy cow, i actually agree with justin on something. quick, someone take my temperature, i think im getting sick!

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:30 pm

Early voting is a farce and every election that has it should be scrutinized. If the early balloting provisions are anything like the one on the ballot in MD it is ripe for voter fraud. Its bad enough you do not need proof of who you are to vote. The one good thing now is I can vote in every district in MD so my vote counts like 150 times.

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:52 pm

How do you think I feel? I work in a gun shop, with hopes to continue doing so. Regardless of my qualifications, I'm probably going to lose my job and be unable to get another one like it. Business is booming right now that I'll probably get another job at a different gun shop. But when Obama gets in...Well, everyone in the gun world is very nervous.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:42 pm

Swordfish2Cowboy wrote:How do you think I feel? I work in a gun shop, with hopes to continue doing so. Regardless of my qualifications, I'm probably going to lose my job and be unable to get another one like it. Business is booming right now that I'll probably get another job at a different gun shop. But when Obama gets in...Well, everyone in the gun world is very nervous.

The only thing is he needs 2/3 in congress to pass an amendment, thank the founding fathers for that, but just in case I am getting my handgun around X-mas with my bonus from work. Nothing says Merry X-mas like a Taurus 45

Swordfish2Cowboy · Post by **Swordfish2Cowboy** » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:02 pm

jrumann59 wrote:
Swordfish2Cowboy wrote:How do you think I feel? I work in a gun shop, with hopes to continue doing so. Regardless of my qualifications, I'm probably going to lose my job and be unable to get another one like it. Business is booming right now that I'll probably get another job at a different gun shop. But when Obama gets in...Well, everyone in the gun world is very nervous.
The only thing is he needs 2/3 in congress to pass an amendment, thank the founding fathers for that, but just in case I am getting my handgun around X-mas with my bonus from work. Nothing says Merry X-mas like a Taurus 45

Doesn't matter about Congress. Back in the Depression-Era, Congress passed a law giving the President power to make shit into laws whenever he wanted. Presidential Decrees, they're called, also known as Executive Orders. Anyway, they're good for ten years. No way a Democratic Congress would go against a Democratic President. And the original reason for the 2nd Amendment was to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government. But no one in power right now wants to mention that.

So now I'm looking for a job, just in case.

jrumann59 wrote:Nothing says Merry X-mas like a Taurus 45

Which one?

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:02 am

Swordfish2Cowboy wrote:And the original reason for the 2nd Amendment was to protect ourselves against a tyrannical government. But no one in power right now wants to mention that.

So now I'm looking for a job, just in case.

jrumann59 wrote:Nothing says Merry X-mas like a Taurus 45
Which one?

Tyrannical doesn't mean dictatorship it just means forcing things upon the people when the majority doesn't want it. Technically speaking if we so choose we can say that our representatives that vote against what the majority of his constituents is tyrannical. AS for the handgun I am looking to get a Taurus Model 24/7-OSS-DS45B or something along those lines from Taurus.

Maddog · Post by **Maddog** » Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:42 am

TNK wrote:
2003silverneonsxt wrote:the only thing i have to say about this is...

If you didnt vote you have NO RIGHT to bitch bout anything that happened, if you voted, then yes you are entitled to state your opinion on anything...
holy cow, i actually agree with justin on something. quick, someone take my temperature, i think im getting sick!

Actually, you are both wrong. This country gives you (anyone) the right to free speech. And, that right covers speaking out your opinions, whether you voted or not.

It is also your right to not listen to said person's opinion or bitching, meaning you can walk away (choose not to listen) from such an individual.

In other words, I agree with this quote from S. G. Tallentyre:
“I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”

I don't air my political beliefs or opinions, nor will I ever. But, I do know my rights as a citizen.