bizzarre ticket! please help...

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:46 pm

Ok so im following a buddy home we are both roughly doing 55-60 and its a 40 zone. im probably 5 cars behind him. atleast. Its a pretty rural road. So a cop passes us and then flips a u turn. We were right at my buddies apartment complex it was the first time i had gone to his house. The cop puts on his lights so i pull over. the cop passes me and then my buddy turns into the apratment complex and the cop turns in and pulls him over. I didnt know what to do and didnt know where i was so i drove and pulled in the complex and parked about 100yds behind the cop. who was behind my buddy. I just sat and waited after like 5 min the cop gave my buddy a ticket and then my buddy pulls away. I start my car and start driving and as the cop is walking back to his car he puts his hand up and tells me to stop. so i stop. he says "sir i clocked him doing 62 in a 40 and you were right behind him. Since you waited I am going to have to write you a citation for 49 in a 40" I kid you not those were his exact words. I about shit myself and said are you serious, i was just waiting for him because im following him. and i dont know where i am going. He said sir you were right behind him. I said sir i wasnt speeding. he asked for my license and shit and wrote me a fucking 49 in a 40. Its only 80 bucks and i would pay it but that completely pisses me off. if i would have left i would have never gotten the ticket... Is there anything i can do in court or something? I kid you not this is the exact story and exact words. I am still in shock. and i have a clean record.

/rant

thttxboy · Post by **thttxboy** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 10:57 pm

Good luck trying to fight that one off without any proof that u werent speeding. since you were probably following close he had a good reason to believe u were speeding. Did he write ur friend a wreckless ticket?????????

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:04 pm

nope he gave my friend a 49 in a 40 too. but i just dont understand if i would have just kept driving he couldnt have pulled me over because he was already in the complex with my friend.. i just pulled in because i didnt know where else to go. i never thought he would still be able to write me a ticket..

lilnicko11 · Post by **lilnicko11** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:16 pm

IN MY OPINION. DO NOT PLEAD GUILTY, DONT JUST PAY THE FINE.
#1 I guess technically he can make the judgement call and do that but he has no proof. He may have proof of radar detection on your friend
#2 If you have a clean record, you should plead not guilty so that it will be thrown out or reduced
#3 Your ticket should have the officers name, If your that upset you could call a superior and tell the situation
#4 Call a lawyer and ask what you can do
#5 TALK ABOUT BEING UNLUCKY!!!! guy sounds like he was def on a power trip!!!!

cbjones26 · Post by **cbjones26** » Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:44 pm

1. ask for the certificate for him to operate the radar
2. ask for a copy of the calibration for the radar

im not sure about where u live but i know in ny if they dont have both of them the ticket will be thrown out. the radar is suppose to be calibrated every 2-3 weeks. they can not make a judgement call based on what he saw unless he has proof to back it up. i have gotten out of alot ot tickets this way! good luck!

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 6:30 am

krc21 wrote:we are both roughly doing 55-60 and its a 40 zone. im probably 5 cars behind him.

Okay, so you were speeding.

i was just waiting for him because im following him. and i dont know where i am going.

This has nothing to do with the speeding.

I said sir i wasnt speeding.

You already admitted above that you were BOTH doing 55-60 in a 40 zone.

Is there anything i can do in court or something?

Yes, pay the ticket and forget about it.

lilnicko11 · Post by **lilnicko11** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 8:31 am

ummm dont listen to paul56. No disrespect but sure you may have been speeding but there are other things involved here. FINES (money), INSURANCE GOES UP(not good and more money), POINTS (annoying), the good thing about our legal system is that there are always things you can do. We all are not perfect and make mistakes and i guess u can take it as you were speeding cause u were following your friend;) Dont just pay the fine. you will at least get a reduction most likely. Especially with no proof and the things the guy said. Its more your word against his and that may depend on your state laws specifically.

Paul56 · Post by **Paul56** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:08 am

lilnicko11 wrote:ummm dont listen to paul56. No disrespect but sure you may have been speeding but there are other things involved here. FINES (money), INSURANCE GOES UP(not good and more money), POINTS (annoying),

...and those are the consequences for speeding that need to be considered BEFORE speeding.

#5 TALK ABOUT BEING UNLUCKY!!!! guy sounds like he was def on a power trip!!!!

How is issuing a ticket for speeding a power trip?

But that is okay... I don't expect anyone to listen to me anyways... after all what do I know being an old fart an all.

Neon4Life · Post by **Neon4Life** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:09 am

krc21 wrote:Ok so im following a buddy home we are both roughly doing 55-60 and its a 40 zone. im probably 5 cars behind him. atleast. Its a pretty rural road. So a cop passes us and then flips a u turn. We were right at my buddies apartment complex it was the first time i had gone to his house. The cop puts on his lights so i pull over. the cop passes me and then my buddy turns into the apratment complex and the cop turns in and pulls him over. I didnt know what to do and didnt know where i was so i drove and pulled in the complex and parked about 100yds behind the cop. who was behind my buddy. I just sat and waited after like 5 min the cop gave my buddy a ticket and then my buddy pulls away. I start my car and start driving and as the cop is walking back to his car he puts his hand up and tells me to stop. so i stop. he says "sir i clocked him doing 62 in a 40 and you were right behind him. Since you waited I am going to have to write you a citation for 49 in a 40" I kid you not those were his exact words. I about shit myself and said are you serious, i was just waiting for him because im following him. and i dont know where i am going. He said sir you were right behind him. I said sir i wasnt speeding. he asked for my license and shit and wrote me a fucking 49 in a 40. Its only 80 bucks and i would pay it but that completely pisses me off. if i would have left i would have never gotten the ticket... Is there anything i can do in court or something? I kid you not this is the exact story and exact words. I am still in shock. and i have a clean record.

/rant

wow just read this and i have to say that was a bitchy cop man. he probably wasnt having a good day or something. i mean the other day i was talking to a cop and he was all nice and he said that he lets people do even 20 over the speedlimit sometimes if a- ur just alone or say u arent doing anything dangerous like wrekless driving. but thats just here. also even if u are just 1 mile over the speed limit the ticket is for nothing less than $125 so i guess $80 isnt that bad but in reality it is a stupid ticket.

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 9:13 am

I get what you are saying Paul. Yes, he was speeding. But since he wasn't hit with the radar, can he be written a ticket legally by association?

I think that is the issue here, not whether or not he was speeding.

That is why I hate following some people when I don't know where we are going. I have a pretty good record for my age imo (no accidents, 1 ticket, and 1 PBJ that is probably done now). To reflect that I only pay $500 a year (granted I am on my dad's insurance plan so it may go up some when I get my own in May). But I drive for a living. So no license = no money. I can't afford to lose my license.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:28 am

Pretty much I see this as a moral issue.

You were speeding (plain and simple) however, evidence of your speed is non existent and is solely on your friend. Do own up and pay the fine for speeding (even going to court to get deferral or reduction of the fine) or do you try and get out of it through legalese. This is how I see it, and is your decision.

If my record was bad, I'd go through legalese, if my record was good I'd hope to get a friendly and understanding judge.

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 10:59 am

im just thinking i have heard sometimes that in a situation like this they will let you pay the fine but keep it off your record...

jT · Post by jT » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:19 am

youre also lucky that he only did 9mph over. if you really were doing 22mph over and he gave you THAT fine... oh man. .

here in MA 21mph over is a criminal citation (as opposed to your normal non criminal citation).. not to mention mega bucks to pay.. not sure if its the same in every state but .....

id say do whatever is more important to you.. pay the fine and have your insurance go up (possibly, maybe your ins co will ignore it, who knows) for a couple years or go to court, waste that time and inconvenience, and still have to pay something most likely... not sure what happens to insurance then...

lilnicko11 · Post by **lilnicko11** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:28 am

Sometimes you won't even have to actually go to court. sometimes they just send you paper work to do so that you won't be bothered by it. again depends on state, county, all that. A police chief did tell me once that you can even fight against radar detection system because they have 5mph leway either way. so you could get it down to 4mph instead of 9. Supposedly cops are also trained professionals in analyzing speed but thats even more up in the air accuracy wise. Dont let your insurance go up. plead not guilty and try to get a reduction. Just paying the fine is saying is not giong to allow it to not show up on insurance.-

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:48 am

yeah i was speeding here is the thing. if i would have just kept driving straight on the road instead of into the apartment i would have never gotten a ticket.. so why since i waited for my friend that gives the cop the right to write me a ticket? that confuses me and he has no idea i was speeding.. he said he clocked my friend doing 62 not me. he said i was behind him so he was going to have to give me one for 49 in a 40.. wtf why change it. like i dont know it just seems fishy and i dont want it to go on my insurance..

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:53 am

This is how the system works in MD:

1. Get ticket

2a. Pay Ticket
2b. Don't pay ticket

3a. all done with it, until the insurance bill comes around (possibly, my first one never made it to the insurance)
3b. wait for a few weeks to get a court summons

4b. go to court and make your case

5b. pay whatever fines the judges says

6b. be done with it

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 1:00 pm

I will also add...be sure to have the date re-scheduled. I have never gone to court on the first date. Better chance of the cop not showing as well since this wasn't a speed trap were several people got caught.

Also, don't tell your friend you are not going to the first date. If he deals with the ticket in court, chances are better that the officer won't bother with yours later.

rOniN · Post by **rOniN** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:49 pm

Sounds like the cop had a quota to get to and you just happened to already be stopped so it was easier just to give you the ticket.

If you were behind 5 other cars all doing the same speed then they should have been pulled over and ticketed as the cop stated when he gave you the ticket. Cops can get evidence on you as most cars will have cameras and recording devices. They will show what you did - or not. They will also know what the you and the cop said. If the cop did say what you said he did then you will get off free because he failed to uphold what he said to every person in front of you.

You could also get the ticket deferred or you could get a local lawyer to go to court for you and get it thrown out. Both will cost money unless you have a friend who is a lawyer.

INVUJerry · Post by **INVUJerry** » Fri Nov 21, 2008 5:54 pm

Go to court, and let the officer tell the judge his side of the story. Do not mention he was your friend, or that you were following him. All the officer has to judge your speed on was him looking at you as you were following another car that was speeding.

excon · Post by **excon** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:41 pm

driving school sucks... that's how it works in VA if you're under 21... Enjoy those eight hours of madness... ugh. Sorry about that one dude.

What have we learned from all this?
When you see blue lights: Run.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:52 pm

Whether or not he has proof really doesn't matter... you were speeding, you got a speeding ticket, change your tampon and pay the fine. Do not protest it, all you will do is waste other people's time.

I for one, hate when I'm sitting there waiting for my name to be called and people are arguing stupid tickets... "No, I wasn't speeding, even though I was clocked at 15-20 miles an hour over the limit"...

Pay it, and slow down next time if you don't want a damn ticket.

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:20 pm

yeah but the thing is that i wasnt clocked for speeding. only the car in front of me was...

thttxboy · Post by **thttxboy** » Sat Nov 22, 2008 10:31 pm

yea but how close were u to him?? Also on a serious note were u speeding??? I mean u cant get too mad if u know it was the truth . If ur just trying to find a way out of it I say tell the judge what happened and maybe he will understand ur case and if u havent had any other offenses he might just drop it and leave u with a warning.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:56 am

When the cop passed you were both speeding, when he flipped around and caught up to you, were you still the same distance behind your buddy?

If so, he has your friend for speeding on radar, and you for being behind him the whole time, therefore proving you were speeding as well.

Oh, and BTW... if it ever happens again, the universal code of conduct is to stay a block away from the cop who is giving out the ticket. When he leaves, you can rejoin your buddy.

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:59 am

yeah see the thing is i was probably going 50 in a 40 when he flipped the u turn. as i saw him make the u turn i put on my brakes and did 40. he put his lights on so i pulled over. he passed me and pulled my friend over. so my point is that if i would have not been following my friend i would have just kept going and never gotten a ticket. the cop told me quote"since you waited and you were right on there bumper im going to write you a citation for 49 in a 40" wtf? since i waited that gives him the right to give me a ticket. thats the part im mad about.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:02 am

No... the fact that you were speeding is what gives him the right to give you a ticket. The fact that you didn't leave after realizing you weren't the one being pulled over just means he could give you that ticket instead of letting you go...

Face it, you were breaking the law, and got busted. Stop whining about it, and pay the ticket, you got what you deserved.

bone-yard-racing · Post by **bone-yard-racing** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:30 pm

Innocent until proven guilty, unless he has you on radar or some other official clock go to court. For reasons I will never understand the general public is intimidated by cops(other than the gun) and therefore they refuse to ask questions. If you honestly believe that you should not have been cited(I would always fight a ticket that has no proof) fight it.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:36 pm

That's the thing, he SHOULD have been cited... he was in the wrong. Even if you hit the brakes to slow down to the speed limit, when you saw the cop you were speeding.

If you didn't want the ticket, I'd have asked him for the proof right then and there and refused the ticket.

But you didn't, you accepted it because you are guilty, not pay the fine because you are guilty, lol.

krc21 · Post by **krc21** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:29 pm

haha random your kind of an idiot. for one i am not whining and for two i have said i was speeding thats not the point. I want to get out of the ticket because im 19 and dont want my insurance to go through the roof.I was simply stating that it wasnt your average ticket because i originally wasnt the one being pulled over at first, i just had to wait for them. since i waited there he gave me a ticket as well. just thought it was bizarre. i asked of ways i could fight it. not ways i can pay it. so until you find a way for me to fight it you quit whining and ill be happy.

TheRandom1 · Post by **TheRandom1** » Sun Nov 23, 2008 1:33 pm

I'm an idiot? Really? You're the one trying to get out of a ticket you deserve...

Wah wah, I'm 19 and don't want to pay a ticket, help me out of it.... THEN DON'T FUCKING SPEED YOU RETARD!

But I'm the idiot, sure... fuck off you whiny little bitch. I'm done here.

2GN.ORG

bizzarre ticket! please help...

bizzarre ticket! please help...

Re: bizzarre ticket! please help...

Re: bizzarre ticket! please help...