USA v. K?

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:27 pm

war propaganda....

PhillyLS1 · Post by **PhillyLS1** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:15 pm

J-Villa wrote:war propaganda....

propaganda for what purpose?

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:17 pm

PhillyLS1 wrote:
Midnight_Rider wrote:^^It's not in our hands or North Korea's hands. The outcome of wars (or the possibility of wars) is already known by God and I have faith in His word. OP asked about our thoughts on the matter so I was just stating mine.
Well while we're at it there's a sale at the grocery store down the street, because that's just as relevant to this discussion as bringing god into it.... like... the religious... always .... do

Hahahaha

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:59 pm

JeffM wrote:
Anyways - I think N. Korea is all talk, no action.

Ask the S. Koreans in S. Korea if they feel the same. You do realize that we lose an avg of 20 soldiers a year along the DMZ and it isn't because of VD or uncontrolled drunkenness.

PhillyLS1 · Post by **PhillyLS1** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:06 pm

jrumann59 wrote:Ask the S. Koreans in S. Korea if they feel the same. You do realize that we lose an avg of 20 soldiers a year along the DMZ and it isn't because of VD or uncontrolled drunkenness.

Exactly.

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 9:46 pm

Most of the kids on this board do not realize that technically we are at war with N. Korea right now. When they said they no longer stand by the Armistice signed after the Korean war, the Korean War is technically back in full swing. The war was never ended it was nothing more than a 50 year retooling treaty where S. Korea gets fucked and N. Korea is laughing at the world.

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:21 pm

jrumann59 wrote:Most of the kids on this board do not realize that technically we are at war with N. Korea right now. When they said they no longer stand by the Armistice signed after the Korean war, the Korean War is technically back in full swing. The war was never ended it was nothing more than a 50 year retooling treaty where S. Korea gets fucked and N. Korea is laughing at the world.

riiiiight. i just really dont think we are "at war" with n.korea there is like, no news broadcasts about it, we hear more about michael jackson and farrah faucet than this supposed "korean war ressurection"

our president is too much of a sis to do anything about it. thats why when that captain of ours got kidnapped by somalis, he told the navy seals to "negoiate with them, dont shoot unless shot upon" hmmm, i may try the negoiating but at first site it doesnt work, its hell to bring. plus, why would we negoiate with such terroristic behavoir? they are pirates for crying out loud. JMO.

PhillyLS1 · Post by **PhillyLS1** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:22 pm

neonslg09 wrote:riiiiight. i just really dont think we are "at war" with n.korea there is like, no news broadcasts about it, we hear more about michael jackson and farrah faucet than this supposed "korean war ressurection"

It's old news. You never hear about the Soldiers killed in Iraq that die in training accidents, but it happens. I had 3 guys in my basic brigade that died. Never heard a peep on the news. Our liberal media would rather report on the love fest that is Obama rather then facts.
There are skirmishes along the DMZ. Here's a few unclassified examples.
March 1990: The fourth North Korean infiltration tunnel was discovered, in what may be a total of 17 tunnels in all.
May 1992: Three North Korean infiltrators dressed in South Korean uniforms were killed at Cheorwon, Gangwon-do. Three South Koreans were also wounded.
October 1995: Two North Korean infiltrators were intercepted at Imjin River. One was killed, the other escaped.
April 1996: Several hundred North Korean armed troops entered the Joint Security Area and elsewhere on three occasions in violation of the Korean armistice agreement.
May 1996: Seven North Korean soldiers crossed the DMZ but withdrew when fired upon by South Korean troops.
April 1997: Five North Korean soldiers cross the military demarcation line's Cheorwon sector and fired at South Korean positions.
July 1997: Fourteen North Korean soldiers crossed the military demarcation line, causing a 23-minute exchange of heavy gunfire.
May 26, 2006: Two North Korean soldiers enter the DMZ and crossed into South Korea. They returned after South Korean soldiers fired warning shots.
October 7, 2006: South Korean soldiers fire warning shots after North Korean soldiers cross briefly into their side of the border.

neonslg09 wrote:our president is too much of a sis to do anything about it. thats why when that captain of ours got kidnapped by somalis, he told the navy seals to "negoiate with them, dont shoot unless shot upon" hmmm, i may try the negoiating but at first site it doesnt work, its hell to bring. plus, why would we negoiate with such terroristic behavoir? they are pirates for crying out loud. JMO.

This you got 100% right. He's a hippy socialist.

Post by **Diablo0** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:44 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmKHuq-IxjM

jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:53 pm

neonslg09 wrote:
jrumann59 wrote:Most of the kids on this board do not realize that technically we are at war with N. Korea right now. When they said they no longer stand by the Armistice signed after the Korean war, the Korean War is technically back in full swing. The war was never ended it was nothing more than a 50 year retooling treaty where S. Korea gets fucked and N. Korea is laughing at the world.

riiiiight. i just really dont think we are "at war" with n.korea there is like, no news broadcasts about it, we hear more about michael jackson and farrah faucet than this supposed "korean war ressurection"

our president is too much of a sis to do anything about it. thats why when that captain of ours got kidnapped by somalis, he told the navy seals to "negoiate with them, dont shoot unless shot upon" hmmm, i may try the negoiating but at first site it doesnt work, its hell to bring. plus, why would we negoiate with such terroristic behavoir? they are pirates for crying out loud. JMO.

How old are you and did you pay attention in high school. The war was never declared over all that was signed was an armistice, which in your public education system means cease fire. Hence why there is a DMZ, even though there has been a "cessation" in hostile activities a DMZ was put in place between the 2 countries as a no go area for either sides military. If either side enters the DMZ without proper authorization from the other side hostilities can restart. Please do your research or you may end up looking foolish. Here is a link to what an armistice is http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/armistice. And with N. Korea pulling out of the Armistice in May, technically the war has resumed even though neither side is advancing.

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:11 am

too bad they dont teach "dormantories of the korean war" in high school.

and as far as im concerned, im 99 and still strong. it doesnt matter how old i am, doesnt make me smarter or dumber than you. you may have experienced more but thats about it. your not dumb, but there is no need to get upset about me saying theres no war. considering, the United States of America, doesnt have troops fighting IN North Korea, i would say WE as in AMERICANS are not at war.

Cbussilver01es · Post by **Cbussilver01es** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:15 am

Oh no somehow this will turn into some big RED vs Blue, left vs right debate.. or blah blah blah or Barack Obama this or blah blah

See I knew there were reasons why I don't post anymore.. or visit the site like I used to... things on this site have changed.. Idk flame me if you want, Im just tired of hearing everything turn into some big political argument..

like gramps said its in gods hands, and if you do not believe in him then I guess thats another thing to flame me about I guess... Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but dont base them off of pure ignorance, that just makes you look like an ass in the end.

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jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:17 am

I guess the 40000 stationed there are there for the food. Korea is considered a hardship duty assignment which means that it has criteria that makes it less safe then others. Germany during the Cold war was a hardship duty assignment. Trust me I wasn't getting upset I just think its laughable that you think people shooting at one another is the only definition of war.

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:25 am

Cbussilver01es wrote:Oh no somehow this will turn into some big RED vs Blue, left vs right debate.. or blah blah blah or Barack Obama this or blah blah

See I knew there were reasons why I don't post anymore.. or visit the site like I used to... things on this site have changed.. Idk flame me if you want, Im just tired of hearing everything turn into some big political argument..

like gramps said its in gods hands, and if you do not believe in him then I guess thats another thing to flame me about I guess... Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but dont base them off of pure ignorance, that just makes you look like an ass in the end.

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this is why this section is off-topic. anything we wanna say can be said.

and what is the definition of war?

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations

thats what i found. conflict carried on by force of arms, wouldnt that our army v. theirs?

doesnt say anything about "talks or threats" being defined in war...

rOniN · Post by **rOniN** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:12 am

You could go take the 20 min trip up to Quantico and ask the Marines there for a clarification on what war is...

You answered yourself by posting #2. The Cold War was just that...threat after threat by both sides. No really big exchanges really happened between the "free" world and the "communists". War can mean anything...the English and French were at war for most of the last 1000 years. The 100 years war lasted 116 years and although there were battles much of the time they didn't have enough money to wage battle constantly but were still warring nations. That would be another example of the Korean situation.

History is not taught nearly well enough in high school. Most of the stuff you learn is actually half-true. It gives you a basic idea but there is no depth to it what-so-ever so many things can become ambiguous.

Now as for Korea, they might give me a job for the next few years if they keep this up.

Post by **occasional demons** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:43 pm

Cbussilver01es wrote:Oh no somehow this will turn into some big RED vs Blue, left vs right debate.. or blah blah blah or Barack Obama this or blah blah

See I knew there were reasons why I don't post anymore.. or visit the site like I used to... things on this site have changed.. Idk flame me if you want, Im just tired of hearing everything turn into some big political argument..

like gramps said its in gods hands, and if you do not believe in him then I guess thats another thing to flame me about I guess... Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but dont base them off of pure ignorance, that just makes you look like an ass in the end.

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jrumann59 · Post by **jrumann59** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 10:56 pm

neonslg09 wrote:

this is why this section is off-topic. anything we wanna say can be said.

and what is the definition of war?

1. a conflict carried on by force of arms, as between nations or between parties within a nation; warfare, as by land, sea, or air.
2. a state or period of armed hostility or active military operations

thats what i found. conflict carried on by force of arms, wouldnt that our army v. theirs?

doesnt say anything about "talks or threats" being defined in war...

Actually #2 fits Korea quite well. There is a lot of operations going on along the DMZ by both sides. War was declared and it was never undeclared. You can debate all you want what you think a war is or isn't but the 2 korean countries are still at war, the armistice is proof of that, the DMZ is proof of that. Just because we do not get blitzed with war footage doesn't mean a war isn't going on. It isonly a matter of time before N. Korea will attack S. Korea why, because they just wiped their collective asses with the paper the armistice was written on.

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:07 am

This is why i voted for McCain, he would have gone crazy with power by now and we all would be saying "Korea who?"

PhillyLS1 · Post by **PhillyLS1** » Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:10 pm

jrumann59 wrote:I guess the 40000 stationed there are there for the food. Korea is considered a hardship duty assignment which means that it has criteria that makes it less safe then others. Germany during the Cold war was a hardship duty assignment. Trust me I wasn't getting upset I just think its laughable that you think people shooting at one another is the only definition of war.

This is typical. You confront them with facts like jrumann59 just did and all of a sudden they don't want to "Argue."
All the little pot shot taking hippies take make their say, but when you counter their BELIEF with FACT they try and run to a moral high ground.

FACT we are still at war with Korea.
FACT our president has done little if anything about the situation.

This isn't a red vs. blue issue, this is the defense of our country and allies in the face of an aggressive enemy.

grambo · Post by **grambo** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:08 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:^^It's not in our hands or North Korea's hands. The outcome of wars (or the possibility of wars) is already known by God and I have faith in His word. OP asked about our thoughts on the matter so I was just stating mine.

Indeed. And lets remind the kids that there are like 11ty billion missile silos in S. Korea and all over the world with the letters USA all over them.
N. Korea is cashing checks it cannot cover. China will not back them against their #1 consumer....the USA.
It'd be a mess, but, I gurantee we'd walk away from that fight.