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I wasn't really sure what section to put this in since most of the parts are for 1st gens, but have you guys seen the new stuff from COMPLX? They're a newer vendor who recently popped up on the .org and they're making some badass stuff for 1st gens and a few universal parts as well. They seem really open to ideas and actually act on them instead of blowing them off, so I'm hoping we'll see some new stuff for 2nd gens soon. I love the fact that they're not only improving things that have been done, but they're also offering completely new things and their prices are really reasonable.

http://forums.neons.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=345964

looks like some good stuff, hope they start makin 2gn stuff

looks like BLOX stuff... nice

I see a couple of you posted up some stuff. I've been giving him a couple ideas, z3orneo (?) listed some great ideas also.

Anthony, you've got a really unique and tasteful style, give COMPLX some ideas for the masses! lol

They copied the TMN 2.4 adapter. They copied the bobble strut. The catch can is a catch can.

I guess they could copy the ReX inserts, Boogers, maybe get Gary to give them the specs for the stroker engines that can hold together, SuperD's PS brackets, Deyeme's tie bar, Mopar short header, TBM brake kit. There is a lot of good stuff out there they could rip off

Im far from a purist or a vendor lover but the pictures I saw were just deliberate copies of parts. If you want to make the same thing as somebody else do a little engineering and improve upon it

bone-yard-racing wrote:They copied the TMN 2.4 adapter. They copied the bobble strut. The catch can is a catch can.

I guess they could copy the ReX inserts, Boogers, maybe get Gary to give them the specs for the stroker engines that can hold together, SuperD's PS brackets, Deyeme's tie bar, Mopar short header, TBM brake kit. There is a lot of good stuff out there they could rip off

Im far from a purist or a vendor lover but the pictures I saw were just deliberate copies of parts. If you want to make the same thing as somebody else do a little engineering and improve upon it

Yes we copied a bobble strut that hasnt been for sale by its creator for 2 years. We could have made it like all the other crappy all thread/crap weld units, but we made a true solid one that wont break.

2.4 adapter, we are going to drill 3 extra holes in it to make it different and call it weight reduction. Apparently other vendors have made the same mount and drilled two extra holes in it and caught no flak.

Not sure where your catch can comment came from.

Copy the rex inserts? Oh like prothane or energy suspension did?

Mopars short header is made by hedman. So did mopar copy hedman or did hedman copy mopar?

We have plenty of parts in the works that nobody has ever made for the Neon. Sorry you arent happy with the parts.

PS - your site doesnt work.

Is there a website to order parts through?

COMPLX wrote:

bone-yard-racing wrote:They copied the TMN 2.4 adapter. They copied the bobble strut. The catch can is a catch can.

I guess they could copy the ReX inserts, Boogers, maybe get Gary to give them the specs for the stroker engines that can hold together, SuperD's PS brackets, Deyeme's tie bar, Mopar short header, TBM brake kit. There is a lot of good stuff out there they could rip off

Im far from a purist or a vendor lover but the pictures I saw were just deliberate copies of parts. If you want to make the same thing as somebody else do a little engineering and improve upon it

Yes we copied a bobble strut that hasnt been for sale by its creator for 2 years. We could have made it like all the other crappy all thread/crap weld units, but we made a true solid one that wont break.

2.4 adapter, we are going to drill 3 extra holes in it to make it different and call it weight reduction. Apparently other vendors have made the same mount and drilled two extra holes in it and caught no flak.

Not sure where your catch can comment came from.

Copy the rex inserts? Oh like prothane or energy suspension did?

Mopars short header is made by hedman. So did mopar copy hedman or did hedman copy mopar?

We have plenty of parts in the works that nobody has ever made for the Neon. Sorry you arent happy with the parts.

PS - your site doesnt work.

First off, it looks like you guys make some nice products. I am impressed with what looks to be great quality in the pics. New companies producing Neon parts are few and far between these days, so I commend you. I really like the style 2 oil cap!

Secondly, I am kind of surprised to see you hop on here and this be your first post. Since you are a business, defending yourself against one person's personal thoughts/beliefs isn't going to work out like you would expect. In fact, IMO it actually reflects worse on you and your company.

I understand where you are coming from with your post but answering with a bunch of rhetorical questions and sharp comments leaves me wondering why you posted at all. If you felt a response was necessary, a professionally worded one would have worked wonders in comparison. As a business owner (employee?), you need to learn to take people's opinions with a grain of salt. You will constantly run into people with varying opinions, it's just the way of the world.

The members on here represent what could be a huge segment of your business when you start to release more 2nd gen products, so I'm not sure burning bridges that don't need to be burnt is the wisest decision.

So, for what it's worth...there's my two cents. Best of luck to you and your company moving forward. You are jumping into the Neon market at a time when most others are moving away, so if you do it right, that could bode very well for your future!

hul kogan wrote:The members on here represent what could be a huge segment of your business when you start to release more 2nd gen products, so I'm not sure burning bridges that don't need to be burnt is the wisest decision.

I agree with this comment, and perhaps COMPLX could've taken a different approach, but if I had just started a business and put a lot of time and money into making parts for a group of enthusiasts with a dying interest, then had a 17 year old jump in and say all my products are just copies of others work, my ass would be a little chapped too.

To me it looks like COMPLX is just using the best designs that they've found for each product and making it their own. How much more can you improve on a bobble strut, 2.4 adapter, or something like an EGR blockoff? Of course it's all going to look similar. My reason for making the thread was to show that there is a new Neon vendor who is making NEW parts, along with other things that have already been around, and they are very open to new ideas and price their pieces very reasonably. Keep insulting their effort and we'll lose yet another vendor.

I hope they make some 2gn rear lateral links. DCR has the cheapest price as of yet, and it's still way too much IMO. If these guys could sell em for less than $100 a set, they would sell like crazy.

And I'm all about a blue ACR oil cap

Looking forward to your future offerings

COMPLX wrote:

bone-yard-racing wrote:They copied the TMN 2.4 adapter. They copied the bobble strut. The catch can is a catch can.

I guess they could copy the ReX inserts, Boogers, maybe get Gary to give them the specs for the stroker engines that can hold together, SuperD's PS brackets, Deyeme's tie bar, Mopar short header, TBM brake kit. There is a lot of good stuff out there they could rip off

Im far from a purist or a vendor lover but the pictures I saw were just deliberate copies of parts. If you want to make the same thing as somebody else do a little engineering and improve upon it

Yes we copied a bobble strut that hasnt been for sale by its creator for 2 years. We could have made it like all the other crappy all thread/crap weld units, but we made a true solid one that wont break.

2.4 adapter, we are going to drill 3 extra holes in it to make it different and call it weight reduction. Apparently other vendors have made the same mount and drilled two extra holes in it and caught no flak.

Not sure where your catch can comment came from.

Copy the rex inserts? Oh like prothane or energy suspension did?

Mopars short header is made by hedman. So did mopar copy hedman or did hedman copy mopar?

We have plenty of parts in the works that nobody has ever made for the Neon. Sorry you arent happy with the parts.

PS - your site doesnt work.

I never said it was wrong but you'd catch a lot less shit if you just said you did it. The rex inserts are/were superior to the prothanes just more fiddly to put in the mount again please remake them Id love a set. Who makes a part doesnt matter who designs it does the mopar header was proven to make the most power in IT trim make a few of those too I could really use one. My bobble strut is one of those crappy thread/tube ones you speak of in over a year with at least 20 sold on cars that I know are really worked not one has failed. Im very aware my site doesnt work

darthroush wrote:Is there a website to order parts through?

www.complxracing.com will be up this week hopefully.

hul kogan - Thanks for the comments in regards to the parts.
People seem to think because I am not "kissing ass" to all customers that I am somehow a bad business man. To be clear, I have run my own company since 2001. I make product for two incredibly large WORLD WIDE vendors.

What people fail to understand is that if a person is already talking crap on the parts, I am not going to be all super nice in hopes of swaying them into buying my product. They made an opinion based on a few lines of text and a picture on the internet. The internet is full of dense humans, there is no changing that, not in life or on the internet.

I often find it ironic that people who give me business advice dont actually run business', and those who do havent reached the places we have reached as a company. So is it wise for me to take advice from a college kid because he read in a text book the "proper" way to do business?

You know what wins customers over? Well made parts and great customer service at a price thats affordable and competitive in todays market place. Love me or hate me, our parts are top quality they sell themselves and have done so for years. The Neon is a new game to us.

If my opinion is that someone is dense, is it not ok for me to post stating so just because I run a company who produces a part thats in demand? My profession doesn't dictate my opinion any more than a customers profession.


suave23 - I think you sort of get the jist of my aggravation with the comments made. I was told the Neon community has a tendency to run off new vendors with pitchforks and stones, but in a platform that has been all but disowned by large manufacturers that was hard for me to believe, but I have seen it first hand.

esteinmaier wrote:I hope they make some 2gn rear lateral links. DCR has the cheapest price as of yet, and it's still way too much IMO. If these guys could sell em for less than $100 a set, they would sell like crazy.

Well chances of a true solid, but adjustable lateral link for under 100 a set are pretty slim. You are around 100 just for a set of heim joints.

boneyard racing - Researching rex inserts they appear to be a bunch of pieces of teflon or something shoved into a motor mount. Maybe I found the wrong info, but calling those superior is a bit obtuse.

I posted a picture of a bobble that failed. My point is this. If you can buy ours that will never break on any sort of regular condition, for the same price or less than the crappy all thread ones, why would you even take the chance?

Thats like going to the car lot and asking for a used lower model car, but offering to pay more than a new well equipped car.

Sweet. Thanks for the link! Best of luck and I'm sure I will be ordering parts as I can afford them. I'm all for metal parts in lieu of plastic.

Oops... meant to send a PM.

COMPLX wrote:hul kogan - Thanks for the comments in regards to the parts.
People seem to think because I am not "kissing ass" to all customers that I am somehow a bad business man. To be clear, I have run my own company since 2001. I make product for two incredibly large WORLD WIDE vendors.

What people fail to understand is that if a person is already talking crap on the parts, I am not going to be all super nice in hopes of swaying them into buying my product. They made an opinion based on a few lines of text and a picture on the internet. The internet is full of dense humans, there is no changing that, not in life or on the internet.

I often find it ironic that people who give me business advice dont actually run business', and those who do havent reached the places we have reached as a company. So is it wise for me to take advice from a college kid because he read in a text book the "proper" way to do business?

You know what wins customers over? Well made parts and great customer service at a price thats affordable and competitive in todays market place. Love me or hate me, our parts are top quality they sell themselves and have done so for years. The Neon is a new game to us.

If my opinion is that someone is dense, is it not ok for me to post stating so just because I run a company who produces a part thats in demand? My profession doesn't dictate my opinion any more than a customers profession.

How you treat customers or potentials customers is obviously not for me to decide, I am just putting forth my opinion because I like to see companies succeed. Especially in this market segment, where companies seem to come and go with the wind.

I think you may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. Obviously I don't think you will get anywhere kissing everyone's toes, especially someone that may have already written off your business. I was speaking in the grander scheme of things. We aren't just talking to each other here. The whole forum is able to read and just like a first impression, they will form opinions of your entire company (no matter how good or bad the product is) based on your demeanor. People are going to use these interactions as a key indicator of your customer service, if they were to become a patron. Be it right or wrong, that is how it will happen, as I am sure you are aware. Since we aren't able to meet you in person, we are left with a block of text and a few pictures to form opinions and get a feel for your business. You are very right in that aspect.

That's all I was trying to relay through this series of tubes known as the interwebz. And also, to clarify, my thoughts aren't coming from a text book that I have my head buried in. I have been in the 'corporate', real world since I graduated from college in '06. I also run a small side business. So no, I'm not just reciting excerpts from a book...I'm speaking from my real world experience. If I didn't care I wouldn't have said a word, but it seems like you are going to put forth some great products for this community so I wanted to speak up. But again, take it for what it's worth.

Lots of good points made in here. This could potentially be a good thing. The products look to be of good quality and the way I see it, competition is good... It keeps prices down for customers and quality up. I'm ready to see what 2gn parts you roll out

Seems like this vendor might actually have a brain behind the operation. There is a difference between someone being a jerk and running off business and simply defending themselves with hard facts. I think it is GOOD for business to know your shit and not be afraid to state the facts.

Erick - $100 for a full set of lateral arms? You MUST be a Neon owner!

Canada - I completely agree with you, but as I said above, this guy doesn't have his head up his ass like a lot of new vendors. He didn't even really get defensive, he just used a bit of attitude to make his argument.

COMPLX - Back on topic, is there any way to make 2gn lateral arms with grease fittings to prolong their life? That's our main concern really, and why a lot of people haven't purchased the DCR units (including myself). Also, what are your plans for the 2gn market? Do you plan to become a major manufacturer for 2gn parts or just a few things here and there?

COMPLX wrote: boneyard racing - Researching rex inserts they appear to be a bunch of pieces of teflon or something shoved into a motor mount. Maybe I found the wrong info, but calling those superior is a bit obtuse.

They were delrin almost completely solid as opposed to the urethane inserts out now that dont really seem to do a whole lot.

Any chance you'd PM me the specs (wall thickness and such) for the rear arms I have no intention of making them Im just curious about strength seeing as any I would buy are going to see 275 width Hooisers.

I deff want those washers and oil cap. Hope you guys can make some radiator brackets and fuse box cover. Great work

I am going to make parts people want

simple as that

I know my quality is just fine, if you dont want the parts you can dig thru ebay for hours trying to find parts they havent made in years and pay more for those.

Moving on................................... cooling plates, radiator brackets, fuse box covers are already in the works. Radiator brackets are at anodizer right now.

Oh and the lateral links are SOLID, using tubing for this application would make them weaker.

Typically the only place you want tubing is on something that twists. Unless weight is an issue of course. Our bars are solid 1"
Ends are faces, and chamfered, drilled and tapped.
Metal sleeves are machined to the exact size as the factory sleeves are welded inside the heim joints.

They of course have a LH and RH threaded end. So you can just loosen the jam nuts and adjust them while on the car.

Awesome cant wait. Great job guys

wow they are colorful...

you guys have a pm.

and didnt answer mine

are 'cooling plates' radiator shrouds?

I'm interested in these products if they make them for the 2gn.

sidepipe87 wrote:are 'cooling plates' radiator shrouds?

Yes

Yea, I can't get anyone to respond to my messages. I've given up on their products. I know sometimes it takes me a day or 2 to get back to someone's PM about a turbo kit, but I've PMed 3 people, including 2 dealers and the manufacturer directly, and nobody will message me back.
It's a shame too, seeing as I already bought FatTireBicycles' bobble mount setup, and now I have to decide between the threaded rod solid and a stocker for a customer car.

Estenmaier, where did you message? I replied to 3 messages on here today. I didnt reply to one message on here intentionally because I was hoping to figure out a way to meet the customers needs.

I will head back over to Neons.org and see if there is any messages for me there.

I am not online every single day as it stands, we are a busy shop and get on when we have time. Email us for a faster reply complx@complxracing.com