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In high school I was a skinny toothpick and lifted hard with no results. 6 days a week. I didnt drink, smoke or do any drugs . In my mid to late 20's I started again with the same results. Then my friends showed me which supplements to take. The main three(in 01-02) were Cell-Tech for creatine, Nitro-Tech for protein, and Hydroxycut for a fat burner. That friggin combo kicked ass. It was like I was taking steriods. And by this time I did drink, smoke and.... whatever. But this was about 8 years ago. So I'm asking 2gn lifters. What combo is the best nowadays?

I was always told creatine was bad.... but no personal experience.

When I was deployed I just used some protein drink daily.... doubt it really did much.

I got very cut and bulked up nicely but I think it was mainly to do with working out 2x a day.

Now I got back problems and can't work out... getting chunky... fml hah

I use combinations of HGH, Yohimbe, Tongkat Ali, all in tablet form... drink protein smoothies at work daily..

I've worked out religously without supplements and saw almost no gain so with my experience they work. All and any type of protein and creatine will work but the one's I mentioned were very expensive and worked hella betta than others. I didnt just buy them cuz they were expensive I did my research first. But I was just wondering what other's might have tried and their results.

in highschool i never worked out, then i started working out a year or two after i graduated...eating healthy, not smoking or drinking and taking creatine (never did anything for me)

then i stopped working out for some reason and just recently got back into it...only instead of creatine im drinking protein and i can tell you it has really helped me gain muscle and weight ( im ~5'7" 135lbs lol). Before that i only weighed in at 125lbs...but since then i found out i had a thyroid problem (over active) and the meds im on for that probably helped a little with gaining weight

other than the protein i also take a multivitamin everyday...and the occasional protein bar

creatine isnt good for you and all it does is fill your muscles with water to make you "look" like you have bigger muscles. Also drinking while doing creatine is really bad! drinking smoking and taking creatine is a good way to have a heart attack.

eating lots and taking protein is an unbeatable combo and keeps you healthy

o and make sure its a weight gain protein

^ Exactly, just consume a ton of protein..and work out of course. You don't need gimmicks.

glasswars wrote:I use combinations of HGH, Yohimbe, Tongkat Ali, all in tablet form... drink protein smoothies at work daily..

really?

Lmao I'm pretty sure Anthony is just messing around lol. I work out about once a day for 2 hours 5 days a week and eat healthy and saw results within 2 weeks and saw results. u should be fine without supplements. I was taking xpel for two weeks but when I didn't see results I just stop taking tHem and they been sitting in my car since.

Healthy and fresh food is the best combo for sure

DroopDaddy408 wrote:In high school I was a skinny toothpick and lifted hard with no results. 6 days a week.

Training 6 days a week may have been an issue unless you gave certain body parts a rest... meaning by example that you trained arms on Monday then only retrained them again on Wednesday thus providing one day of rest for the body part. Better to start training every 2nd day at the start rather than with a split routine.

Building muscle starts with higher reps/lower weight rather than low reps/high weight, plenty of rest, good basic diet and high quality supplements but only if needed. You will get better nutrition out of your basic diet.

Paul56 wrote:
Building muscle starts with higher reps/lower weight rather than low reps/high weight, plenty of rest, good basic diet and high quality supplements but only if needed. You will get better nutrition out of your basic diet.

I do agree that you must start small with lower reps/lower weight to develop your balancing muscles and get a decent muscle density but, if you want to really bulk you need to focus on compound exercises with higher weight and less reps. Compound exercises involve using many muscle groups but ultimately target a large muscle group such as dead lifts and squats for legs or bench pressing for shoulder, chest and upper body.

As for supplements I lifted for my first three years at college without supplements and I did gain strength but my progress was slow. I started taking Trac by MPH and I started seeing some imidiate gains in the quality of my workouts.

After 5yrs of lifting I have now decided to try some new supplements with my roomate/lifting partner. We take Gold Standard Whey Protein after every workout, Trac or MRI's Black Powder as a pre-workout drink and finally on a daily basses we take MRI's NO2 Black.
before this supplement package I was 5'8 185lbs 17%body fat. Max bench 195lbs or 75lbs each hand for 5reps. Max dead lift 200lbs. Max leg press 540lbs.
results after 13weeks:
I am 5'8" 173lbs 12%bodyfat. Max Bench 235lbs 4reps or 95lbs each hand. Max dead lift 280lbs. Max leg press 720lbs. I work out 5 times a week doing one major muscle group a day for 1-1.5hrs with 30-40mins of cardio after each lifting workout. Diet is a big key, if you lose track of your diet you can fatigue, not lose your fat or simply not make any progress. If you want to get big just keep in mind your body can’t stand more than 40grams of protein in a sitting so if you go big with whey protein you have to spread out your shakes over the course of the day.
Also a comment on creatine, I took a sports physiology class last quarter and during that class we examined using creatine as a sports enhancement. Every study does show that you can have a 5-10% gain in overall work output while PROPERLY taking creatine. However because the body is just using the creatine as a fuel source during a workout or competition, once you cycle off creatine most of your gains will be nullified and your body goes back to normal. Also the biggest concern in the military and organized sports with creatine is that it can make your body consume more water than it normally does so dehydration is the largest concern for these fields.

contagious18 wrote:Lmao I'm pretty sure Anthony is just messing around lol. I work out about once a day for 2 hours 5 days a week and eat healthy and saw results within 2 weeks and saw results. u should be fine without supplements. I was taking xpel for two weeks but when I didn't see results I just stop taking tHem and they been sitting in my car since.

No, I am completely serious hah.

Paul56- Yea,bro. alot of that shit I know. I do(did) spread my workouts, the diff muscle groups so I dont over work them.

RageK23-some of the more technical shit I didnt know.... but I do know, that for me at least, supplements DO work. It's simple, vitamins help, protein builds muscle. It just depends which supplement you want. Thanks for all the input and exps....

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The big thing I was told. Is vary your workout routine. Too much of the same thing everyday and your muscles plateau and don't get any gain.

Wow this thread has been around for awhile and a lot has changed in my weight, and deit from now. The biggest thing is that I have a training mentor that has come through the ranks in strongmen competitions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAD8EGPiWAs

He was a training partner with Derek Poundstone for awhile.
This picture is a little old but this is what the right diet and exercise has done for me (me at 165lbs):


My short term goals I started in January and end in May are to gain 10-15lbs of muscle and go up in strength on all my lifts. I am 165lbs so my goal is around 178lbs. In order todo this I need to go from a 2000-2500 calorie diet to a 3300-4000 calorie diet. I am eating more lean red meat, a larger pre-workout meal and larger post workout meal.
My supplements are: multiviamins from MHP (contains enzymes to help digest all the extra food), Pink Magic (a natrual, herbal supplement that enables your body to produce more testoserone), Glutamine & a BCAA capsul (before workouts and before bed to prevent muscle breakdown), Creatine (pre workout, to give your fast twitch muscles more "food" for heavy lifts), Jack3d (pre-workout/caffine wake up mix for those days u are dragging), and finally Optimum Nutrition Protien shakes (usually 1 in the morning and always post workout within 1 hr of finishing).

So far I am up to 173lbs and I went up in almost all my lifts. I am deadlifting over 400lbs and squating 265lbs.



Disclaimer: Supplements ARE NO JOKE aways take the reccomended dosing or even less. I accidentally took 2 different supplements having a combination of too much of a vasodiliator (gives you a bigger pump feeling) and ended up in the hospital. Please, research just like you do with car parts before putting something in your body.

Both of those pics are of you? Holy ****, wish that I could afford to have you come over and whip my fat *** into shape! I am so sick of being overweight.

Yeah both pictures are of me. It takes time and dedication but the end result is 100% worth it.