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Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:06 pm

My reasoning for coilovers:

-Lower to a comfortable height for summer use
-Raise for winter rollin'
-Dump for picture days
-Give it a little more performance for more grippy turning

Mat00ES · Post by **Mat00ES** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:07 pm

most got out of the rubberband tires are uber cool trend. I love sidewall.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:09 pm

heydockyle wrote:My car handles decently with struts and springs. Would like coilovers though just to sit even, have a little less wheel gap, be able to handle better, and be able to raise it back up in the winter if need be.

A decent spring/strut combo will out handle coil overs that are bottomed out any day

I'll be going with a strut/spring combo unless I find a KILLER deal on some coils.

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Tue May 25, 2010 10:10 pm

Tire Sidewall is very important when you're talking about handling too. A right size sidewall will absorb will spin and help the car move forward and reduce wheel spin mid corner.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Tue May 25, 2010 11:27 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote:
LowNSlow wrote:People will grow out of it eventually..
I am.

THANK GOD! Everyone tucking mad tire... not gonna lie, I don't like the look. It's tired. There's a certain sweet spot. About .5" lower than I am right now that is PERFECT looking. After that it just looks lie fanboi fail.

heydockyle · Post by **heydockyle** » Tue May 25, 2010 11:31 pm

LowNSlow wrote:
A decent spring/strut combo will out handle coil overs that are bottomed out any day

I'll be going with a strut/spring combo unless I find a KILLER deal on some coils.

Yea, if I had coils they'd be far from bottomed out. Idk. Just pisses me of that my front sits a little higher in then the back.

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:20 am

Where does anyone ever say (on this forum) that being slammed is better handling? I feel like it's more than obvious that you are hurting it. Nor did I ever see anyone actually say it. It's been more than known where the sweet spot (in terms of drop amount) lies on the Neon chassis. Manny might have, but other than him.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:25 am

Mad_madieros or whatever has also said it.

Idk what threads off the top of my head, but people posted pictures of new coils on their car, damn low, and say shit like "I'm taking the on-ramp @ 15MPH faster than usual," "It's on rails!" etc... When we know that being dumped like that doesn't really allow you to drive any better than stock height. People in this thread know it's a fashion, but it has been said as "true testimony" on this actual forum.

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:29 am

I have my car so low that the wheels don't touch the ground. I have 68 more horsepower because of that.

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:30 am

Yeah, that's true. But I feel like everyone has said that at some point or another on any setup ever.

Besides, unless the turn is perfectly smooth, the amount of bump steer I get from the ride height being so low throws off my ability to cut a corner quickly.

I know for a fact my car handles better than it did stock, but it also has the Hotchkis sways and STB's (if those even actually do anything.) But than again I'm low but I'm not dumped due to the tires on the Works being so thick. And the 205/50's allow for a decent amount of sidewall flex through a corner.

Haganracing · Post by **Haganracing** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:34 am

Yeah, i mean a lot of people go off the "butt dyno"

So being lowered helps the car out.. but being slammed can hurt the car's performance (depending on what you are doing).

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Wed May 26, 2010 7:20 am

LowNSlow wrote:Either way.... a good 40% of this forum thinks being dumpt to where you scrape rocks is super leet and makes your handling better when in reality it makes your car handle like shit.

Too bad I'm not that 40% I just like being low. I don't "autocross" my neon.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Wed May 26, 2010 11:38 am

neonslg09 wrote:
LowNSlow wrote:Either way.... a good 40% of this forum thinks being dumpt to where you scrape rocks is super leet and makes your handling better when in reality it makes your car handle like shit.

Too bad I'm not that 40% I just like being low. I don't "autocross" my neon.

I don't autocross my Neon either but I don't want it to handle like complete ass hole. Everyone that is on the ground and says my ride isn't too bad is full of shit.

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:22 pm

LowNSlow wrote:
neonslg09 wrote:
LowNSlow wrote:Either way.... a good 40% of this forum thinks being dumpt to where you scrape rocks is super leet and makes your handling better when in reality it makes your car handle like shit.

Too bad I'm not that 40% I just like being low. I don't "autocross" my neon.
I don't autocross my Neon either but I don't want it to handle like complete ass hole. Everyone that is on the ground and says my ride isn't too bad is full of shit.

It honestly DOESN'T though. I could see that coming from having coilovers where travel is lost through lowering (TEIN, Eibach, etc) but as far as Megan, BC, and I believe Ksport, you don't lose much travel.

Does it ride rough, because of the 8kg/6kg springs? Yes, but it's DD-able just fine.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:57 pm

Anything is DD'able.... but it still rides like asshole

glasswars · Post by **glasswars** » Wed May 26, 2010 12:59 pm

I wouldn't call the ride to the point of asshole though. I've ridden in dumped civics that would fill the definition of that. My car, and I'm sure Stevens and Adams, aren't like that either.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Wed May 26, 2010 1:07 pm

I guess that is a difference of opinion... I'd imagine the ride in my eyes would feel like ass...

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Wed May 26, 2010 3:16 pm

.. and John loves a hard, rough Ass.

OB · Post by OB » Wed May 26, 2010 3:17 pm

FAC3L3SS wrote:Because I traded the K-Sports for Mopar Stage 3 coils.

I'm trying to figure out what RETARD would be on the other end of this trade...

So anyone with BC's, have you guys been able to decipher the owners manual? It's translated literally, and makes almost no sense.

sidepipe87 · Post by **sidepipe87** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:16 pm

LowNSlow wrote:I guess that is a difference of opinion... I'd imagine the ride in my eyes would feel like ass...

Honestly riding in Adam's car lowered down low on KSport coilovers rode nicer than my car moderately lowered on Tokico HPs and H&R springs. My ride is very stiff, but at the same time, my car has Hotchkis bars and STBs and will outperform his any day

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Wed May 26, 2010 4:58 pm

Correct. My ride was extremely comfortable IMO, but it had very little performance from the height, if any. Body flex / roll, rubbing, etc... I was in it for the scene.

Derek, don't you worry about that. I got S3s on their way NYG.

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Wed May 26, 2010 5:00 pm

lol I offered to buy your S3s

acr · Post by **acr** » Wed May 26, 2010 5:00 pm

I can honestly say that being on BC's with 18" tires and Hotchkis sways along with DC stb's has made my handleing alot better.

I can make quicker faster turns without body roll, to a certain speed of course, its not like im riding on rails!

Mr Josh Zombie · Post by **Mr Josh Zombie** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:07 pm

i still, to this day, don't think STBs do shit on neons

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:32 pm

They do more on a lowered car and help reduce stress on the strut towers.

neonslg09 · Post by **neonslg09** » Wed May 26, 2010 6:51 pm

I can notice when I'm driving with them, and without them. Never had eBay one's though. I've had Mopars and Vibrants

LowNSlow · Post by **LowNSlow** » Wed May 26, 2010 8:19 pm

Mr Josh Zombie wrote:i still, to this day, don't think STBs do shit on neons

I honestly noticed a difference with a REAR stb...but front seemed to be the same.

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Wed May 26, 2010 10:32 pm

The fronts are so close to the firewall they are almost pointless. Rears have actually helped.

ACR - how low are you? We aren't dogging BC coils, we dogging low-ass carz that claim to "handle."

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Wed May 26, 2010 10:52 pm

My car handles very well and I have my BC's. Not a coilover owner that drops the car to the ground that makes the car handle like crap. BC's are known to have better valving than the Megans, K-Sports, D-sports etc... Plus you can order them with custom spring rates.

As for the Mopar S2 S3 S3r coilovers they are made by KW and KW has a high failure rate on strut housings. Ride quality is very good because they are damped well.

I am curious on how low the 2gn neon platform can go when it starts to affect handling in a negative aspect? More than a 2'' drop?

FAC3L3SS · Post by **FAC3L3SS** » Wed May 26, 2010 10:55 pm

I'm curious about that as well.

As far as the KW coils, the S3 coils ride like stock and I think that's why the "fail." So many people take off the stoprings and go as low as possible, then they give out because they aren't made for that kind of travel. That's why I'm getting stiffer springs (Thanks Sean!) and will go as low as they can. Not voiding warranty and maintaining a ride height / dampening level that gives true performance is FTW.