I know some of you Own 1Gens also......Please Help

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:58 pm

I just got a 1gen about a month ago......This dude I know was PCSing from 1 my base to another and he had a 96 and he said he was gonna take it to a junk yard so I told him to give it to me......Long story short.......He gave it to me and I poored about 1 Hour and 2 hundred bucks on new stuff and now it is smogged with plates and reg sticker......My question is for the people that have one gens or know about them........What is the best Intake to get K&N, AEM, ICEMAN.......Remember though I Live in Cali so I have to have something that is smogg legal with C.A.R.B sticker....also I have seen 2 differ variations of the AEM......there is a pic of it on sport compact car mag website on Project Neon and the if you go to AEM website they have a link for extreme Neon and it shows an entirely differ app......someone please help

Thanks In Advance

Mopar00Neon · Post by **Mopar00Neon** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:23 pm

Iceman.

But none of the intakes are CARB legal. Not even the Iceman has a current #. Ive never run across a smog shop that fails vehicles with CAIs though. Just make sure your PCV and breather tubes are hooked up, no little filters in lieu of.

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:33 pm

I know that the K&N and The AEM are......They have #'s........Mopar also makes one (it is the iceman with a mopar logo on it) it isnt legal...

I was really wondering about the 2 differ AEM's that I've seen......one goes behind the engine over the valve cover and the other goes under the battery......but I called AEM and they didnt even know what I was talking about......

dinetuner · Post by **dinetuner** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:18 pm

3.0 CAI is the best! the cheapest.. or equavilint of the ebay CAI

Steaks · Post by **Steaks** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:34 pm

I have a 3.0 CAI but no smog test but only cost me like $55 all together for it and looks and works fine!

Look at my website cause I think I have a pic of my engine bay. I mean I had to get a PVC pipe to bring the filter down a little more to make it fit but with a little bit of time, if your willing to do it, it does a good job.

What is nice about ICEMAN is has all the pipes, filter, and new battery tray (cause if you look with the 3.0 pipe you need to cut the tray up and then you will not have a battery tray tie down unless you ghetto rig it someway).

There all the info I know! LOL yeah the 3.0 is a pipe from a Voyager/caravan/WTF they call the minivan. 3.0 liter intake pipe. you will understand if you see it. does a 90 degree turn. Kinda hard to find, at least here in MN.

FINAL WORDS!

i like the look and ease of use of the ICEMAN but it is a lot of money. Usually around $200 so if you are looking for a good looking engine bay it might be worth the money.

the 3.0 does the job, I got it cause it was cheap! and I was willing to take the 1 hour to make it work.

dawm · Post by **dawm** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 9:05 pm

you need the 2nd version AEM if you chose AEM. which puts the filter behind the brake master cylinder.. but still the ICEMAN is the best 1g intake, next to the 3.0L ghetto mod.

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:03 am

Was the first version AEM that went under the battery tray like the Iceman not good or something.....did they discontinue it......what was wrong with it?.....Anyways thanks for all your help.....I really wanna get the iceman or the MP but they dont have the sticker.......has anyone looked at the K&N one for the first gen...........It looks pretty tight.........in scc it says that the AEM only gained 2 hp.....I am kinda leaning towards the K&N but I havent come across anyone that has had it yet or herd anything about it........Oh and I can get it for about 150.00

dinetuner · Post by **dinetuner** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:21 pm

Wisher2 wrote:Was the first version AEM that went under the battery tray like the Iceman not good or something.....did they discontinue it......what was wrong with it?.....Anyways thanks for all your help.....I really wanna get the iceman or the MP but they dont have the sticker.......has anyone looked at the K&N one for the first gen...........It looks pretty tight.........in scc it says that the AEM only gained 2 hp.....I am kinda leaning towards the K&N but I havent come across anyone that has had it yet or herd anything about it........Oh and I can get it for about 150.00

the first AEM was a WAI thats why it only gained 2whp i say try for a used aem/iceman but thats beucase i dont have alot of exp with the KN

Mopar00Neon · Post by **Mopar00Neon** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 1:36 pm

Wisher2 wrote:I know that the K&N and The AEM are......They have #'s........Mopar also makes one (it is the iceman with a mopar logo on it) it isnt legal...

I was really wondering about the 2 differ AEM's that I've seen......one goes behind the engine over the valve cover and the other goes under the battery......but I called AEM and they didnt even know what I was talking about......

Incorrect. They HAD numbers. Since the state rolled to smogII, they are no longer valid. Hit up the CARB website and check it out for yourself.

Stay away from AEM.

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 5:09 pm

Mopar00Neon wrote:
Wisher2 wrote:I know that the K&N and The AEM are......They have #'s........Mopar also makes one (it is the iceman with a mopar logo on it) it isnt legal...

I was really wondering about the 2 differ AEM's that I've seen......one goes behind the engine over the valve cover and the other goes under the battery......but I called AEM and they didnt even know what I was talking about......
Incorrect. They HAD numbers. Since the state rolled to smogII, they are no longer valid. Hit up the CARB website and check it out for yourself.

Stay away from AEM.

Actually I am right.......Go Look at the ARB website and look it up

here is a link to the pdf file that states that it is exempt

http://arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/devic ... 392-19.pdf

When posting this thread I was just wanting some opinions on what are the best for 1gens not for someone to tell me that I am wrong about something.......

Oh and by the way after reading your post I went to my local smogg shop and had a little chat with them.......Gave them the #'s and they ran them and it will pass.......both the AEM and K&N

He told me that if I had an Iceman it wouldnt because it does not have E.O. #'s

Mopar00Neon · Post by **Mopar00Neon** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 8:50 pm

Well, good for you. Course I didnt take into account differing counties. They still are not legal here.

I still know the guys at my shop well, and I used to do smog testing for 2 years. Ive got a pretty good idea of atleast my county. Some counties are more liberal than others since state laws dont uniformly apply to all counties. The valley tends to get fucked between its ag particulates and shit comming over the pass.

And just because you made it a point, Ill give you my opinion, again... Stay away from AEM. Theyre all still not CARB legal here, and Ive had every 1st gen we've owned passed with an Iceman, and for the money, Icemans are great. Used ones pop up all the time for really cheap. K&N, I have no experience with, so I cant say either way. Ive never even seen one.

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:49 am

Mopar00Neon wrote:Well, good for you. Course I didnt take into account differing counties. They still are not legal here.

I still know the guys at my shop well, and I used to do smog testing for 2 years. Ive got a pretty good idea of atleast my county. Some counties are more liberal than others since state laws dont uniformly apply to all counties. The valley tends to get fucked between its ag particulates and shit comming over the pass.

And just because you made it a point, Ill give you my opinion, again... Stay away from AEM. Theyre all still not CARB legal here, and Ive had every 1st gen we've owned passed with an Iceman, and for the money, Icemans are great. Used ones pop up all the time for really cheap. K&N, I have no experience with, so I cant say either way. Ive never even seen one.

Hey how are they not C.A.R.B. legal? If they have a E.O. # then there is no county in Cali that can turn you away or fail you for having it on. As long as you dont mess with EGR or Cat or 02 sensors then you are good to go with the aftermarket if it has a E.O # and if someone tries to tell you differ then go to a computer and print out the pdf of what ever part you have from the ARB site and bring it back to them and then report them to the board. They have to follow guidelines........Anyways thanks for your opinions and you know I was thinkin of stayin away from the AEM just cuz it sits right there behind the valve cover which I dont think is to cold air to me

nodestiny · Post by **nodestiny** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 12:54 am

ANOTHER vote for iceman

Cant wait to put it on my wifes car! A lot of friends have 1st gens, and the iceman seems to fit the bill best between all of them.

Mopar00Neon · Post by **Mopar00Neon** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:04 pm

Parts can have EO numbers, such as the 'mopar' Iceman, and will still be in the system as such, but that doesnt mean it is current. When the state went to smog check II a lot of things that were legal became illegal and some companies had their products retested and others did not. Which is why the Mopar isnt legal anymore. Some counties are more strict than others. The state has general laws, but individual counties depending on their AQ levels can make more strict or in cases like Mariposa county, more relaxed laws (or rather, more relaxed enforecment, Mariposa county is the only place in the state that I know of where a neon with a turbo will pass a smog test.) Of course when it comes down to things like this, the smog tech has a lot of descresion. An Iceman isnt going to make the cars particulate levels go up or anything, its more about the visual since cars have to 'appear' stock in form and function.

In otherwords, its all bullshit. Get whatever intake you want and just make sure you have a smog shop with people you know or know dont put too much ephasis on the visual.

Wisher2 · Post by **Wisher2** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:40 pm

Mopar00Neon wrote:Parts can have EO numbers, such as the 'mopar' Iceman, and will still be in the system as such, but that doesnt mean it is current. When the state went to smog check II a lot of things that were legal became illegal and some companies had their products retested and others did not. Which is why the Mopar isnt legal anymore. Some counties are more strict than others. The state has general laws, but individual counties depending on their AQ levels can make more strict or in cases like Mariposa county, more relaxed laws (or rather, more relaxed enforecment, Mariposa county is the only place in the state that I know of where a neon with a turbo will pass a smog test.) Of course when it comes down to things like this, the smog tech has a lot of descresion. An Iceman isnt going to make the cars particulate levels go up or anything, its more about the visual since cars have to 'appear' stock in form and function.

In otherwords, its all bullshit. Get whatever intake you want and just make sure you have a smog shop with people you know or know dont put too much ephasis on the visual.

That is true to a point

SmogII started in 1993. By 1996 it was in full effect in extremely smog poluted counties such as L.A., San Diego. etc.....
As for parts, If it has an E.O. # and some dumbass wont pass the visual them you take it to the ref and with the E.O. # it has to pass. It is conscidered a replacement part by the state A.R.B. board.

But yeah I see what you are saying

and thanks for the advise from everyone