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convince me...

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 9:06 pm
by ejclide
Convince me not to get this guys...

http://hidyford.com/Dayton-OH/For-Sale/ ... /16970886/

I'm gonna be starting my job in June after graduation, and I plan on getting a new car this summer or fall. I can't help but want this car. I've wanted boost for so long, and I'm disappointed that I'm not going to see a faster Dart. So this is the direction I'm heading.

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 10:06 pm
by fontes59
looks so much nicer in person lol i kno it says talk you out of it but if your looking for fwd boosted car its a nice look

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:23 pm
by MyNeonSaysHi
Wait until you get your job. Better cars to be had at $28k. :readrules:
If you are focused on the ST, wait until next years model comes out. Prior years will be quite a bit cheaper.

Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:38 pm
by ejclide
MyNeonSaysHi wrote: If you are focused on the ST
Pun intended? :rofl:

I guess I haven't 100% made up my mind, but I am really liking what I'm reading about this car, and I really want to get a NEW car this year. And I'm ready for a car that actually has some balls, but it's gotta be 4/5 doors, and I want to get over 30mpg highway.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:32 am
by Midnight_Rider
You don't want to know what I think. [-(

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:58 am
by ejclide
I know what you think. Save my money. Buy an srt 4

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:37 am
by RobsProjectSOHC
28k for a focus? eh, only because theres better options out there.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:46 am
by ejclide
Actually if I went with the focus I'd probably go with the base that starts at 23,700

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:00 am
by occasional demons
I still get a kick out of how these dealers love padding the "Options" list (Ad in link) with things that have been standard features for decades now. Just try and get the car without a rear seat, or intermittent wipers, AM/FM radio etc, for that matter.

But I have to give them credit, as they didn't go as overboard as most do. Most of the things listed aren't standard features, yet. - Just lumped into package deals that are largely unavoidable, unless you want to pay more for a less optioned special order car.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:54 pm
by rOniN
Supposedly, the SRT dart could be coming within the next year unless they just recently canned that idea...

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:57 pm
by theColonel
ejclide wrote:Actually if I went with the focus I'd probably go with the base that starts at 23,700
:withstupid: ... good choice ... a local Ford dealer advertised one of these, but didn't actually have it in stock ... classic "bait and switch" sales tactic :pukeright:

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:52 pm
by Skitlz
rOniN wrote:Supposedly, the SRT dart could be coming within the next year unless they just recently canned that idea...
My cousin claims his friend's mother or mother's friend who works at a Chrysler plant said they are making the SRT.

Who knows if that's true.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:22 pm
by fixitmattman
If you have the money, what the hell...

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:24 pm
by theColonel
Skitlz wrote:
rOniN wrote:Supposedly, the SRT dart could be coming within the next year unless they just recently canned that idea...
My cousin claims his friend's mother or mother's friend who works at a Chrysler plant said they are making the SRT.

Who knows if that's true.
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/20 ... rt-on-hold

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:22 pm
by Midnight_Rider
Midnight_Rider wrote:You don't want to know what I think. [-(
ejclide wrote:I know what you think. Save my money. Buy an srt 4
Which is why I didn't say anything. :lol:

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:48 pm
by ragek23
look around, I have been browsing them too and you can find them around 24K. But id wait if you can for the 2014 fiesta ST. its going to be above 200hp and better gas mileage. Plus they make freakin rally kits for it so the aftermarket is huge. Overall the bottom line will be a lot less too. Probably $18-22K


BTW for 14K i did find an ACR srt4 on autotrader with only 32,000miles and bone stock in OH.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:56 pm
by ejclide
ragek23 wrote:BTW for 14K i did find an ACR srt4 on autotrader with only 32,000miles and bone stock in OH.
I'm slowly liking this idea a lot more. I already have:

1) A LOT of experience with this chassis
2) A GREAT forum with awesome dudes and lots of knowledge available

and with minimal modification it's going to be around the same in power...

I think I'll start saving for the SRT.

Thanks for talking me out of it guys!!!!!

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:57 pm
by gtxtreme19
ragek23 wrote: BTW for 14K i did find an ACR srt4 on autotrader with only 32,000miles and bone stock in OH.
Local to me I would have to assume, thing is mint, and never even seen rain IF its the same guy. Once in a while he puts it out near the end of his drive with a sign in the window.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:18 pm
by ragek23
I couldnt bear to buy that car. if i got an srt id want to mod it and i couldnt' do that to a gem like that.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:44 pm
by ejclide
ragek23 wrote:I couldnt bear to buy that car. if i got an srt id want to mod it and i couldnt' do that to a gem like that.
I keep seeing guys on the Ohio SRT owners page on FB selling around 6-8k. That's where I'll probably start looking.

Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:53 pm
by Midnight_Rider
ragek23 wrote:I couldnt bear to buy that car. if i got an srt id want to mod it and i couldnt' do that to a gem like that.
IDK, I fell for the mod bug. It took awhile but I did fall.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:43 am
by ejclide
I can see that both ways. I kind of agree with ragek23, I would have a hard time turning a wrench on a nice ACR like that one just because of what it is.

However, at one point I thought the same thing about my SRT-D, thinking "oh, hey, this one's a little more rare than the rest. I should keep it stock... :D"

Didn't last as we see...

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:13 pm
by theColonel
ejclide wrote:I can see that both ways. I kind of agree with ragek23, I would have a hard time turning a wrench on a nice ACR like that one just because of what it is.

However, at one point I thought the same thing about my SRT-D, thinking "oh, hey, this one's a little more rare than the rest. I should keep it stock... :D"

Didn't last as we see...
First of all ... no Neon is a collectible ... it's a cult car

Secondly ... owning an SRT-4 will keep you from ever enjoying a normal Neon ever again

Finally ... once you own an SRT-4 you'll always want more performance, and since you can't afford a Porsche 911 Turbo, you'll be forced to buy things
from the wonderful selection of aftermarket goodies available :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:25 pm
by Arro
*sigh*

Almost no Neon is collectable. There's no way that applies to the SRT-4, and especially not to the SRT-4 ACR. In time, they're going to be. But I've said that before.

As far as modifications go, everything I've decided to do I can UN-do down the line. So what if you modify it? Returning a car to stock isn't hard if you haven't gone crazy, and you don't really have to go crazy with the SRT-4 to get some good power increases.

The chassis is timeless in appearance, and the SRT accents really do set it apart from the rest of the Neon pack. Nobody mistakes my SRT-4 for a normal Neon. Even the car-ignorant ask me about it. Chrysler took painstaking efforts to give it a distinctive "tuner" look, which is why most SRT-4 owners don't even bother to modify the exterior much or at all.

HOWEVER...

The Focus ST is pretty damn sweet. I don't care about cars at higher price ranges because I've always been a fan of the underdog. And the ST will come with a WARRANTY, which is a big deal. And basically, no wear and tear. And... let's not forget that of the last decade or so, Ford's build quality has been outstanding. That's not something I admit lightly, because for many years I've disliked Ford cars and trucks.


So make of it what you will. I'm with Gramps, get an SRT is my suggestion, but it's more because the car is familiar to you, the price is right, the knowledge base is well well well established, and let's face it, the SRT-4 has a lot more character than the new Focus ST does.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:49 pm
by Skitlz
theColonel wrote:Secondly ... owning an SRT-4 will keep you from ever enjoying a normal Neon ever again
I challenge you on that. Just get me an SRT-4 and I'll prove it. ; )
Arro wrote:The chassis is timeless in appearance, and the SRT accents really do set it apart from the rest of the Neon pack. Nobody mistakes my SRT-4 for a normal Neon.
Except if it has the sport appearance package maybe.


Also instead of the Focus or SRT-4, just get an R/T and turbo the fuck out of it with the leftover cash.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 3:15 pm
by Midnight_Rider
Arro wrote:...let's face it, the SRT-4 has a lot more character than the new Focus ST does.
:withstupid:

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:03 pm
by theColonel
Skitlz wrote:
theColonel wrote:Secondly ... owning an SRT-4 will keep you from ever enjoying a normal Neon ever again
I challenge you on that. Just get me an SRT-4 and I'll prove it. ; )
:lol: You have to find your own ... it took me three years to find a used one worth buying ... it would be easier
to buy a new Ford Focus ST without being :sex: by a Ford stealership

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:33 pm
by rOniN
theColonel wrote:
Skitlz wrote:
rOniN wrote:Supposedly, the SRT dart could be coming within the next year unless they just recently canned that idea...
My cousin claims his friend's mother or mother's friend who works at a Chrysler plant said they are making the SRT.

Who knows if that's true.
http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/20 ... rt-on-hold
Touche' I was reading allpar a couple weeks before that article.

As for new cars only, it would be hard to convince you onto another car. But as a few others have said, there are some great cars under 30k slightly used. Could get a SRT charger or something similar. Could get a new Grand Cherokee or wrangler if you went that route as well.

Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:07 pm
by ragek23
Arro wrote:
HOWEVER...

The Focus ST is pretty damn sweet. I don't care about cars at higher price ranges because I've always been a fan of the underdog. And the ST will come with a WARRANTY, which is a big deal. And basically, no wear and tear. And... let's not forget that of the last decade or so, Ford's build quality has been outstanding. That's not something I admit lightly, because for many years I've disliked Ford cars and trucks.

I agree. I think the focus ST and soon to be fiesta ST are the last of the neon like breed. somewhat light, nimble, FWD, a great DD, and really good gas mileage to boot. Its the las american car to hold this ideaology right now. I mean yeah we have the dart but lets be honest. Take the dart to an autox track and its like racing a buick lesabre compared to the focust st. If you want somethign new and "neon-like" save up for an ST.

Not to mention they take quite a beating I found out first hand:
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Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 3:03 am
by Arro
That last pic is total awesome :thumbup: