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One of the key principals of democracy is it's dynamic nature. Ability to change, the power rests in the hands of the people. (I don't think the founding fathers counted on there being so many retards living here.) Recall elections, for example, the people's right do challenge the government and have things overturned. Don't come to me and say "Enjoy your freedom and don't ask any questions!"



"Go to bed, America, your government is in control... here, watch this and get fat & stupid..."

Good man

But i gotta stop checking this thread out. I have to finish writing this term paper that was due 11 hours ago .

What the hell is force measured in? I know that force = mXa and with some simple math come up ewith a force measure of 64,365,000. And that is lbs/mph so..... I donno... the Pentagon's design... I donno.. it all is kinda blurry to me because I didn't really care that day because my birth day is the 12th. But 64,365,000 is a big number and I not sure that the building could withstand that kind of force.

When you stop to think about it, there are many things revolving around 9/11 and the years after that made Bush alot of money.

1st off
His first year in office, before 9/11 the political media was saying that he had the worst 1st year in office ever recorded.
after 9/11- Everyone magically loved him for going strait to war with afganastan. Approval ratings up as well as his salary...(He is making 4 times what bill clinton made in office)
Then on to Iraq, Following in his fathers foot steps... Sure a long drawn out war is a great reason to start the Pro Military Pro Goverment Shit on the people (More Money in Chaneys pockets becuase of his stake in the companys that where building trucks for the war effort)
Now on to Oil...
Luck would have it that the hurricanes come through, Up to 3+ dollars a gallon gas...
Its funny how it started to settle at a higher level then before even though things calmed down.
Now that the oil companys know that "Hey people will pay it" They start to find more reasons to raise the price.
Iran (Bullshit)
Nigeria (More Bullshit)
Chinas Demand (Squinty eyed bullshit)
Fires at oil pipelines (More BS, They prolly set it themselves)
The market is driven by fear... And instead of regulating the market or stepping in, or better yet breaking up the major oil monopolies, Our faithful Administration and the "great" repulican controled congress will do absoulutly nothing.. Why?
Becuase Of there stake in the oil company and the fat ass pay checks they are getting. The sons a bitches drive to there meetings in GMC Denalies that get 10 miles to a gallon going down hill in nutreal with a tailwind... While the rest of us blue collar joes have to suffer... Intrest rates going up, the job market going overseas, Inflation, Cost of health car increasing more each year then your yearly raise...

Anyway I need a vacation from the real world...

/rant

It's true... a lot of the folks who criticized Bush from the start did a 180 once he 'handled' 9/11 so well.

Then he fell out of favor and, from my understanding, has been since Katrina.

I think the turnaround on Bush is a testament to how poorly he handled things. When something like this happens, it's so easy to get everyone to root for you because all you need to do or say is the right thing--which is very obvious. Look at Giuliani. Wasn't he the Time man of the year or something? Right after 9/11, he became the mayor of the country. He did, arguably, everything right. President Bush did too (on the very first days following the attack), but then it all went to hell. I don't even have to give reasons how.

caustic neon wrote:all im gona say is be glad we have the government we have so you all can say everything that you are saying with out fear.

For now. Patriot Act, much? The law that we had no choice about?

I'm with the others... I dunno about the WTC towers, but the Pentagon thing seems a little fishy. Either way... Bush is still a .

I feel like chiming in, especially since I am a bush supporter and and get crap about it all the time. I read through the whole thing and see some very valid points, and some good arguments, but I also see a lot of wishy-washy opinions that are based on feelings. I also see a lot fo consiracy theories and other band wagon arguments that hold as much water as a paper bag.

I have to ask those of you who are consiracy theorists, do you also think that Bush caused Katrina, especially if you believe our government caused, or allowed to happen 9/11... Also do you think that this is all about oil? I bet you do - we still live in a country where gas is, erlative to say a European country, cheap. We have oil we could try to tap into, but the tree huggers refuse to allow that to happen. We have tried to break down the laws and governings on oil refining, but environmentalists refuse to let go of the greenhouse scandal, and we have cheaper fuels out there and technology to use this stuff, but it is not just the Republicans in on the money in the pocket, but the Democrats too... hell, ALL of DC is in on it, so don't go pointing a finger at one person when you have 4 more pointing back at yourself.

Look, everytime a person is in the highest position of our country, he will get ransacked, blamed, put on a cross, and tortured till he is barely recognizable. Come on, it is the worst job to have in the entire world, as well as the most powerful!

In this great country, we have the right to say and do as we please within the values of the law, and if you stay within those values, you shouldn't have a thing to worry about (like the comment above about Patriot Act). Let me ask you, when it went before congress, did you call up your Senator and Rep and say vote no? Did you rally others together to do the same? Probably not, and those are usally the people who cry the most. Want to change the problems we have in our society? GET INVOLVED so when things do not go right, you can truthfully stand up and say "I have been treated unfairly!"

Peace.

i prefer not to get involved in political stuff, but i noticed a science question so i thought i should answer it.

linkin18t wrote:What the hell is force measured in? I know that force = mXa and with some simple math come up ewith a force measure of 64,365,000. And that is lbs/mph so..... I donno... the Pentagon's design... I donno.. it all is kinda blurry to me because I didn't really care that day because my birth day is the 12th. But 64,365,000 is a big number and I not sure that the building could withstand that kind of force.

acceleration is not measured in mph, that is a velocity. acceleration is a distance/time^2, eg: m/(s^2), ft/(s^2), etc.

force does equal mass times acceraltion. lbs is weight, kg is mass. therefore force (unit wise) equals (kg * m)/(s^2).

1 (kg * m)/(s^2) = 1 Newton. Newton is a measure of force.

racer12306 wrote:

linkin18t wrote:What the hell is force measured in? I know that force = mXa and with some simple math come up ewith a force measure of 64,365,000. And that is lbs/mph so..... I donno... the Pentagon's design... I donno.. it all is kinda blurry to me because I didn't really care that day because my birth day is the 12th. But 64,365,000 is a big number and I not sure that the building could withstand that kind of force.

acceleration is not measured in mph, that is a velocity. acceleration is a distance/time^2, eg: m/(s^2), ft/(s^2), etc.

force does equal mass times acceraltion. lbs is weight, kg is mass. therefore force (unit wise) equals (kg * m)/(s^2).

1 (kg * m)/(s^2) = 1 Newton. Newton is a measure of force.

Damn, stupid New Mexico educashun

linkin18t wrote:Damn, stupid New Mexico educashun

kc2002acr wrote: we still live in a country where gas is, erlative to say a European country, cheap..

I am in no way nit picking you, or your argument. We all have our own valid opinions on the way things are being handled in our country.

But im not sure comparing our gas prices to Euro gas prices is a valid comparision. Their governments have a higher tax rate on gas sales then ours does, raising the price. They pay pretty much the same amount of money per barrel as we do.

Thats what i was under the impression of anyways, if im wrong then anybody is welcome to correct me. I welcome it.


Edit: You know, i actually read what you were saying wrong kc2002acr. You're just speaking in a general sense. Ive had a long week, forgive me if im not making any sense.=/

I'm pretty sure that every other country in the world, well... at least most of them, pay more for gas than we do.

Oh, they don't pay nearly as much as we do in oil-rich countries! But of course, that probably only covers part of the Middle East and South America.

Gas prices would go down if they would just abolish the federal excise on gas and bring back the 39.6% income tax bracket...but only for those making $1 million or more. They can afford it!

not really a red x but cant see the pic.

edit: nevermind i see it now. but im leaving the emoticon cause i like it.

I'm too lazy to read this thread but wasn't this video already out? Maybe I missed something

no, there was a new video released the other day.

And it's not one of the flash of whatever going past the camera into the pentagon... the 5 frame video? There is a new one besides that one b/c I thought that video was already out

Want proof there is a massive conspiracy behind 911? Look up world trade center 7. It was the third building that collapsed that day, not from an airplane hitting it or any major structural damage for that matter. It collapsed according to fema because of "diesel fires in the basement". Of course no steel frame building has ever before nor since collapsed because of fires. Not to mention the collapse is entirely vertical and without a doubt a controlled demolition. http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence ... lapse2.mpg Then there's the fact that no one really televized the 3rd building collapsing. So without a doubt there is a conspiracy about building 7. It takes professional building demo crews weeks to plan out and set charges for a building to collapse like that so this must have been known about in advance. If building 7 was a conspiracy it would be stupid to think that nothing else was.

Am I saying bush is some evil mastermind pursuing world domination by creating a climate of fear and anger in America? No, of course not, he's too stupid. So who could be behind this? Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and every other pro-war nutjob with a right wing agenda that is part of this shit administration. (for a longer list go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_fo ... an_Century)

for proof that it was physically impossible for all 3 buildings to collapse the way they did go here

http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

there. My rant is over.

Last night at work, there was five older guys (40+)sitting in the lobby, waiting for a cab to come take them to a bar. I was definitely suprised when they started talking about the videos, and how it was pretty apparently that it wasnt a boeing that hit. Was kinda weird seeing even older people talking about this issue as well.

Diablo0 wrote:And it's not one of the flash of whatever going past the camera into the pentagon... the 5 frame video? There is a new one besides that one b/c I thought that video was already out

yes, they just released a new video that looks a lot like the old one. in fact it's just about as useful. i'll try to find it online...

kc2002acr wrote:I feel like chiming in, especially since I am a bush supporter and and get crap about it all the time. I read through the whole thing and see some very valid points, and some good arguments, but I also see a lot of wishy-washy opinions that are based on feelings. I also see a lot fo consiracy theories and other band wagon arguments that hold as much water as a paper bag.

I have to ask those of you who are consiracy theorists, do you also think that Bush caused Katrina, especially if you believe our government caused, or allowed to happen 9/11... Also do you think that this is all about oil? I bet you do - we still live in a country where gas is, erlative to say a European country, cheap. We have oil we could try to tap into, but the tree huggers refuse to allow that to happen. We have tried to break down the laws and governings on oil refining, but environmentalists refuse to let go of the greenhouse scandal, and we have cheaper fuels out there and technology to use this stuff, but it is not just the Republicans in on the money in the pocket, but the Democrats too... hell, ALL of DC is in on it, so don't go pointing a finger at one person when you have 4 more pointing back at yourself.

Look, everytime a person is in the highest position of our country, he will get ransacked, blamed, put on a cross, and tortured till he is barely recognizable. Come on, it is the worst job to have in the entire world, as well as the most powerful!

In this great country, we have the right to say and do as we please within the values of the law, and if you stay within those values, you shouldn't have a thing to worry about (like the comment above about Patriot Act). Let me ask you, when it went before congress, did you call up your Senator and Rep and say vote no? Did you rally others together to do the same? Probably not, and those are usally the people who cry the most. Want to change the problems we have in our society? GET INVOLVED so when things do not go right, you can truthfully stand up and say "I have been treated unfairly!"

Peace.

Amen.

i love politics about as much as a id love to ahve herpies... i just dont... now... back to cutting the damn grass...


Grass cuttin FTL...

I agree with Skuttler on this one. I think the majority of Americans dont want to believe that 9-11 was fabricated, mainly because of the audacity of the whole situation. But I personally believe that people can think what they want and say what they want, that what makes this country great IMO. But I cannot simply refute a lot of the claims that these "conspiracy theorists" are making. Now most of the time id just say its b.s and move on (Roswell, JFK assassination etc.) but in this case I fell as if there are to many plausible events occuring for any of it to be labeled coincidences. I think there is no way in hell the pentagon was hit by 747. No debris, no makings, no over turned cars on the freeway that plane supposidly flew over, and it just so happens to hit the only side of the pentagon that could withstand such an impact. And the fact that the Gov't confiscated videos depicting the impact in its entireity were never releases, I def think they have something to hide.

I personally think the plane that went down in PA was done so by the people on board. I think shooting it down via a fighter jet would have been way too risky. But the remained fact that no debris was really found does puzzle me.

The towers I feel went down via a controlled demo. Bulldings that naturally fall dont do so on top of themselves like those 3 did. And the fact the building 7 fell later on seems odd. And steel just doesnt melt away, I dont buy the Gov't theory on that one either. and the fact that they pulled security and bomb sniffing dogs out of those bulildings two weeks prior is kind of ironic. Not to mention the well documented secondary ecplosions right before the collapse.

Although all of this evidence compels me to believe it was fabricated, I still cannot fathom why something like this would be done. Killing innocents just doesnt add up to me. What about the alleged terrorists who carried out these attacks, and the fact that the video claims that they are still living? I find that to be farfetched. Im sure there are more than one person with the same name over in the middle east. So all this stuff about the trail of Mousowi (sp) would be fiction as well. If this is all true, then its the most elaborate cover up the world has ever seen. Do I honestly think its a conspiracy? No. Am I absolutely certain that these events happend with no prior knowledge and that there was no cover ups involved? Certainly not, I have many doubts in my mind about the whole thing.


Like someone said befotre, "you cant believe everything the gov't tells you" that isnt what our country is about, we were founded on the principles of protest and individualism, and its those very cornerstones of our beliefs that still exsist today.

I may be a Democrat but fuck the tree huggers...

They can drill in my back yard for all I give a damn...

I just dont like having to bend over, pull my pants down and play prison bitch susan every time I go to the gas station. Meanwhile some fat ass polatician gets to light his cigar with my hard earned buck...