BANHOFF CLUTCHES
BANHOFF CLUTCHES
I recently upgraded my clutch from stock to stage 1. I did this for 2 reasons.
1 in case i want to add more hp to my DD down the road and
2 the clutch I found was actually half the price if a new OEM style clutch.
The clutch I had installed was made by Banhof performance. I knew nothing about this company except it is not a well recognized brand. After doing a little research I found they are based in Florida which told me they more than likely make their own products and are not rebranding cheap asian parts. Further research led me to several forums where members who tried these clutches had nothing but high praise for them at all racing stages. None of these comments were about / for neon clutches but everything was good and nothing I could find was negative so I took a shot and ordered one off of ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170860176850?ss ... 1423.l2649
It has been installed and I am just about done with the mandatory 500 mile break in period. (50 miles to go!) I drive 50 - 150 miles a day for my job and I love this clutch. The springs are only slightly stiffer than stock, the "dead spot" between where the gear is disengaged and where it starts to grab is nearly non existent. Shifting gears is more fluid and the transfer of power is better than it used to be. The guy who installed it loves it too, telling me so without my having to ask when I picked up the car. He said it is not cheaply made and he really liked the overall feel of it in his test ride.
I paid $176 on ebay for this clutch shipped to my door. OEM clutches are 2x that if not more, stage 1 racing clutches like this one generally go for $450 and up. If Bahnhof performance is trying to make their name with products like this then they are well on their way. While you can't judge the long term quality of a clutch without putting on the miles and I was unable to find any long term use reviews for Bahnhof clutches, with the price point, the quality, and the feel of this clutch all being excellent I would not hesitate to buy another.
1 in case i want to add more hp to my DD down the road and
2 the clutch I found was actually half the price if a new OEM style clutch.
The clutch I had installed was made by Banhof performance. I knew nothing about this company except it is not a well recognized brand. After doing a little research I found they are based in Florida which told me they more than likely make their own products and are not rebranding cheap asian parts. Further research led me to several forums where members who tried these clutches had nothing but high praise for them at all racing stages. None of these comments were about / for neon clutches but everything was good and nothing I could find was negative so I took a shot and ordered one off of ebay.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/170860176850?ss ... 1423.l2649
It has been installed and I am just about done with the mandatory 500 mile break in period. (50 miles to go!) I drive 50 - 150 miles a day for my job and I love this clutch. The springs are only slightly stiffer than stock, the "dead spot" between where the gear is disengaged and where it starts to grab is nearly non existent. Shifting gears is more fluid and the transfer of power is better than it used to be. The guy who installed it loves it too, telling me so without my having to ask when I picked up the car. He said it is not cheaply made and he really liked the overall feel of it in his test ride.
I paid $176 on ebay for this clutch shipped to my door. OEM clutches are 2x that if not more, stage 1 racing clutches like this one generally go for $450 and up. If Bahnhof performance is trying to make their name with products like this then they are well on their way. While you can't judge the long term quality of a clutch without putting on the miles and I was unable to find any long term use reviews for Bahnhof clutches, with the price point, the quality, and the feel of this clutch all being excellent I would not hesitate to buy another.
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You need to look at more of their offerings.
These are both PN# 05-085B
$169.98
$175.98
$6 is a six pack to enjoy afterwards.
Banhoff's advertised Capacities
HP: 245
Torque: 222 ft/lb
Disc O.D. 232mm / 9.134"
I have one on the way for the 1gn, since I have the engine out, I checked the thickness left on the clutch disk that is in there. It it getting pretty thin. It still grabs great, but since I am basically there...
The depth of the facing grooves isn't much more than here: viewtopic.php?p=967482#967482
So I am not risking it.
Basically the only difference between the neon clutch, PT, and the Stratus 2.7 for all but the very early neons is the the pressure plate clamping force, and possibly the disc material. Until someone disassembles a 2.7 modular clutch, possibly the I.D. of the friction disk may be smaller, giving some more surface area. My '01 is ~6" I.D. I can mich. it later for an exact number.
They all are ~9" O.D. discs. only the early 1gn/primarily Mexico made set ups were 8.5"
These are both PN# 05-085B
$169.98
$175.98
$6 is a six pack to enjoy afterwards.
Banhoff's advertised Capacities
HP: 245
Torque: 222 ft/lb
Disc O.D. 232mm / 9.134"
I have one on the way for the 1gn, since I have the engine out, I checked the thickness left on the clutch disk that is in there. It it getting pretty thin. It still grabs great, but since I am basically there...
The depth of the facing grooves isn't much more than here: viewtopic.php?p=967482#967482
So I am not risking it.
Basically the only difference between the neon clutch, PT, and the Stratus 2.7 for all but the very early neons is the the pressure plate clamping force, and possibly the disc material. Until someone disassembles a 2.7 modular clutch, possibly the I.D. of the friction disk may be smaller, giving some more surface area. My '01 is ~6" I.D. I can mich. it later for an exact number.
They all are ~9" O.D. discs. only the early 1gn/primarily Mexico made set ups were 8.5"
Bill
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I have it on the 1gn. My only complaint is the center hat was not the best fit, as it barely stayed in. I now have a vibration, most likely from the flywheel being a few thousandths off center.
So now I'll have to pull it again, and hope the oem center hat fits better, and pray that the hole was not bored too large. Probably should have reused the original hat, but didn't think of it at the time.
Really shouldn't have to.... but at least they made an effort. The Spec didn't even come with one. Maybe that's a good thing.
Other than that, it seems like a decent clutch for the money. It does hold up to 7200 rpm.
So now I'll have to pull it again, and hope the oem center hat fits better, and pray that the hole was not bored too large. Probably should have reused the original hat, but didn't think of it at the time.
Really shouldn't have to.... but at least they made an effort. The Spec didn't even come with one. Maybe that's a good thing.
Other than that, it seems like a decent clutch for the money. It does hold up to 7200 rpm.
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After putting the oem center into the clutch, it still vibrates, just changed it a little. I'm probably going to put the one that came with the car back in, and toss this POS in the trash if the vibration goes away. The Bahnhof center hat was not only loose in the flywheel, but I had to literally pry it out of the crank with a large screwdriver. It should be snug, not a damn press fit.
The only other possibility I can think of, is the center in the crank is off. Probably not much chance of that, but it isn't like i was able to fire this thing up and test drive it when I bought it. I will know for sure when I get the other clutch back in. The fact that it did change with the center hat, leads me to believe either the flywheel, or the pressure plate aren't balanced. It doesn't change with the clutch engaged or released, so the disc is probably ok.
It engages nicely, other than the vibrations, I really have no issues with the grip, or the feel. But holy shit the annoyance factor is enough to scrap the thing. Not to mention creating new rattles in the car each day.
Once I determine if it is the balance of the clutch, or a bad crankshaft (doubtful), I will contact them and see what their response is.
The only other possibility I can think of, is the center in the crank is off. Probably not much chance of that, but it isn't like i was able to fire this thing up and test drive it when I bought it. I will know for sure when I get the other clutch back in. The fact that it did change with the center hat, leads me to believe either the flywheel, or the pressure plate aren't balanced. It doesn't change with the clutch engaged or released, so the disc is probably ok.
Meanwhile you are SOL without a car, if you are counting on getting the money back anytime soon. Notice they don't mention what happens if it is not determined to be "defective" .All warranty claims must be made through BAHNHOF prior to shipping the product back. The buyer must first contact BAHNHOF via email to begin the warranty / defective claim process. An RMA number will be issued if the product is defective or in need of further inspection. Upon receipt of the product, BAHNHOF will forward the product to the manufacturer for inspection and testing. If the product is determined to be defective, BAHNHOF will issue a full refund for the product and all incurred shipping charges. BAHNHOF under no condition will refund or compensate on labor, installation.
It engages nicely, other than the vibrations, I really have no issues with the grip, or the feel. But holy shit the annoyance factor is enough to scrap the thing. Not to mention creating new rattles in the car each day.
Once I determine if it is the balance of the clutch, or a bad crankshaft (doubtful), I will contact them and see what their response is.
Bill
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Wow that weird you have a vibration... mine is fine other than some clutch chatter but that's expected with a 6 puck... I just ordered another stage 3 clutch.... I hope I don't have an issue. I also know the last one i got had a washer on top of the lock nut...i messaged then pissed and told then there quality control sucks and they refunded me 55 bucks. I was like holy shit... and Ifixed it my self. They are really not hard to deal with..
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Was planning on doing it this last weekend, but got a nasty cold. Missed work Friday, and felt like crap through today. Figures a nice weekend, and I take a shit. It's what I get for planning.
Hopefully soon.
Hopefully soon.
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OK, I swapped the clutch out with the one that came with the car. It still vibrates, just at a different RPM. So the replacement engine is probably the better part of it. The slight differences in the overall weight might explain the range in which the vibration occurs at.
So it looks like something I am stuck with.... And solid motor mounts are 1000% out of the question.
So it looks like something I am stuck with.... And solid motor mounts are 1000% out of the question.
Bill
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2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
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BAHNHOF Stage 2 Clutch Kit Set 94-95 Dodge Plymouth Neon 2.0L 96-99 11th Vin "T"
this clutch says the seller is not processing orders until July 5th, my question is this:
is this only for first gens? or will it fit in my 2005 sxt?
not to sound stupid, I just dont know what kind of tranny the first gens came with.
this clutch says the seller is not processing orders until July 5th, my question is this:
is this only for first gens? or will it fit in my 2005 sxt?
not to sound stupid, I just dont know what kind of tranny the first gens came with.
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so long as you have a non modular flywheel it will fit your 05 neon
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so it's a year later and I have to replace my clutch already. it didn't even last 12000 miles. I'm getting a lot of clutch chatter now too. That caused the upper and lower strut tower braces (engine mounts) to tear. To say i'm disappointed with banhoff is an understatement. any money saved was spent on new mounts so I will avoid them this time around and go with a sachs since they make the OEM clutches for chrysler. I'm going back to stock too since I'm not going to be adding any more hp than the few gained with the new exhaust and a new WAI to my car.
Forget my opening comments and stay away from banhoff
Forget my opening comments and stay away from banhoff
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Honestly, go with the Stratus clutch.
Get the LUK brand. It is a reboxed Sachs Clutch, but at a cheaper cost than you can find Sachs for. I got mine for $242 free shipping on ebay.
I put the Banhoff in the '01. It seems more wimpy than the stock clutch with the 3.55 gears. It doesn't slip (yet), but is not at all agressive about hook up.
The Stratus clutch is hands down better than the Spec also. It hooks great, isn't really harsh, but very firm.
LUK CLUTCH 05-119 02-04 DODGE STRATUS 2.7 V6
Is what you can search under. Prices currently seem to be a little higher than what I paid.
It is worth it tho, I love this clutch. FWIW I have 3.55 gears in the 1gn now, with a 2.4. So there is no advantage as far as gearing either.
Get the LUK brand. It is a reboxed Sachs Clutch, but at a cheaper cost than you can find Sachs for. I got mine for $242 free shipping on ebay.
I put the Banhoff in the '01. It seems more wimpy than the stock clutch with the 3.55 gears. It doesn't slip (yet), but is not at all agressive about hook up.
The Stratus clutch is hands down better than the Spec also. It hooks great, isn't really harsh, but very firm.
LUK CLUTCH 05-119 02-04 DODGE STRATUS 2.7 V6
Is what you can search under. Prices currently seem to be a little higher than what I paid.
It is worth it tho, I love this clutch. FWIW I have 3.55 gears in the 1gn now, with a 2.4. So there is no advantage as far as gearing either.
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
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I was reading some of your posts about the stratus clutch O.D. will it work in the 2.0 with the cable clutch set up? ( IIRC you have a hydro tranny) I understand you have it for its ability to handle more power but that is not a concern for me. MY main issue is longevity. I don't want to be buying clutches every year.
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I have it in the 1gn, so yes, it works fine with the cable set up.bobneon2k wrote:I was reading some of your posts about the stratus clutch O.D. will it work in the 2.0 with the cable clutch set up? ( IIRC you have a hydro tranny) I understand you have it for its ability to handle more power but that is not a concern for me. MY main issue is longevity. I don't want to be buying clutches every year.
Sorry I missed your reply. As for power, it is pretty much a stock 2.4 at the current time. Probably going to be that way for a while.
Bill
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2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
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Re: BANHOFF CLUTCHES
I probably had about 60,000 miles on it (Banhoff) when I parked the '01.
It was just a stock replacement grade clutch, so maybe that's a factor.
It was still holding/functioning, just not much feel for engagement or confidence inspiring, for performance stuff. But for a normally driven DD, it would probably last about average. The lack of feel was the same for either cable or hydro actuation, so that had little or nothing to do with it.
It was just a stock replacement grade clutch, so maybe that's a factor.
It was still holding/functioning, just not much feel for engagement or confidence inspiring, for performance stuff. But for a normally driven DD, it would probably last about average. The lack of feel was the same for either cable or hydro actuation, so that had little or nothing to do with it.
Bill
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester
2000 Neon MTX swap with '02 R/T PCMOlha Koba, a psychologist in Kyiv, said that “anger and hate in this situation is a normal reaction and important to validate.” But it is important to channel it into something useful, she said, such as making incendiary bombs out of empty bottles.
1999 neon coupe 2.4 swap
2021 Forester