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Strange but.... Lifting my car?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:08 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
Alrighty, I am lookin into some bigger tires... and I think i might wanna lift my car somwhere between 1.5 inch to 3 inchs... but the thing is... how the heck am i ganan be able to do it? lol
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:21 pm
by asanti
Air ride?
Later
Allex
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:30 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
how much do those cost?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:57 pm
by MyNeonSaysHi
A lot.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:19 pm
by TheRandom1
WHY IN THE HELL would you want to lift your car just for wheels? You can go with 18's without having to change the suspension, how big are you going to go???
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:20 pm
by Hudson_Neon
maybe coilovers... or a custom bracket that spaces out the knuckle and strut
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:47 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
hmm ok.... well honostly the reason i want to lift it is becasue everyone else lowers theres... it will stand out more..
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:50 pm
by TheRandom1
OK. I can appreciate the desire to stand out... but lifting it will make it handle worse (higher center of gravity) and with a bigger tire, you may not be able to turn the wheels all the way either...
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:55 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
mhmm.. waht would be the maxium tire size i would beable to get?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:57 pm
by Hudson_Neon
and there's not a wheel bearing out there for a neon that can handle BIG tires
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:03 pm
by TheRandom1
I know you can go with 18's with maybe a 30 series, depending on what you're doing.
What size wheel are you looking to go with?
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:05 pm
by Hudson_Neon
truck wheels? 38's?

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:17 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
not quite sure yet, i still have to look into tires and rims i want, i just am thinking generally right now, i was thinking really, erally differnt... like... haha... dirt tires...
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:39 pm
by occasional demons
Do you have an ATX or MTX? Either way your power will suffer with taller tires. If you went 3" it could be done by spacing the K member and lowering the strut tower tops in the front. the rear would take alot more work, maybe welding another center mounting point from another car, or a new replacement to the one thats there, to keep the suspension geometry and lowering the strut tops in the rear also. You could then use the OEM struts/springs the biggest problem is the halfshafts may also have wear issues, as the angles would be extreme, mainly for the short drivers side. If there was an easy way to lower the engine tranny then it would work. But if you find someone that will do all the other work, then it shouldn't be a problem. It would be interesting for sure. If you can get the proper transfer gears or differential ratio in the tranny then the added tire size would be negated a bit. This isn't the cheapest example but it would be the safest and most functional. There wouldn't be any suspension travel loss and alignment issues avioded as all the geometry is retained. I feel like I'm posting on a 4 wheeler site !
Edit: It would be an awsome offroad rally car, but the rules prolly wouldn't have it!

Rules!

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:42 pm
by Hudson_Neon
occasional demons wrote:Do you have an ATX or MTX? Either way your power will suffer with taller tires. If you went 3" it could be done by spacing the K member and lowering the strut tower tops in the front. the rear would take alot more work, maybe welding another center mounting point from another car, or a new replacement to the one thats there, to keep the suspension geometry and lowering the strut tops in the rear also. You could then use the OEM struts/springs the biggest problem is the halfshafts may also have wear issues, as the angles would be extreme, mainly for the short drivers side. If there was an easy way to lower the engine tranny then it would work. But if you find someone that will do all the other work, then it shouldn't be a problem. It would be interesting for sure. If you can get the proper transfer gears or differential ratio in the tranny then the added tire size would be negated a bit. This isn't the cheapest example but it would be the safest and most functional. There wouldn't be any suspension travel loss and alignment issues avioded as all the geometry is retained. I feel like I'm posting on a 4 wheeler site !
but the pearch will still be in the way if he just moves the struts. if he spaces out the knuckle and strut, that gives room for a larger tire, like a SUPER SWAMPER
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:50 pm
by occasional demons
The better thing would be to use the P or L body type knuckles for better bearings, too. Heck while he's at it modify to use the P body lower control arms as they are not stamped steel. Screw it just use the whole subframe/steering rack. And put a V6 in there
OK, I think he's broke now!

Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:03 pm
by Hudson_Neon
lol... well, if it's gonna look like a true 4x4 might as well go the V6 route
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:06 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
lol, yeah... broke enough... ehh my grandparents are selling their range rover... mabey i can mooch some cash off of them

im feelin a basherbar and a ricer spolier too then i guesss
haha
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:13 pm
by Wenuden
krackstar has dubs on air struts. Looks good, but expensive I'm sure.
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:02 am
by ragek23
well i am not sure if this was mentioned but awhile ago someone posted a pic of a neon body on a Tacoma sub frame. In short it was a jacked up neon
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:35 am
by occasional demons
The caravans run taller tires, there is the option of running those struts with different springs, as the spring perches are higher up. Just thinking of ways to keep the cost down... I doubt the caravan springs would have any give holding up a neon. I know using P body springs on an L body was like having solid bars holding the car up and those are pretty close in size. They only stayed on the Omni till I got back from the test drive... Yeah, I'll try anything once

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:54 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
occasional demons wrote:The caravans run taller tires, there is the option of running those struts with different springs, as the spring perches are higher up. Just thinking of ways to keep the cost down... I doubt the caravan springs would have any give holding up a neon. I know using P body springs on an L body was like having solid bars holding the car up and those are pretty close in size. They only stayed on the Omni till I got back from the test drive... Yeah, I'll try anything once

so it would be a bumpyer, easier to flip ride? is that what im understanding?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:02 pm
by Arro
So let me get this straight....
you want a big-wheel 2G Neon?

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:23 pm
by 03blackrt
Jack up car, wedge some scrap 2x4's between the coils of the springs, lower car. Instant 4x4... or maybe "2x4"?

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:27 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
03blackrt wrote:Jack up car, wedge some scrap 2x4's between the coils of the springs, lower car. Instant 4x4... or maybe "2x4"?

my freind knows jack crap about cars and shes standing behind me going "tehe"
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 5:56 pm
by occasional demons
IGotYourDoughnut wrote:occasional demons wrote:The caravans run taller tires, there is the option of running those struts with different springs, as the spring perches are higher up. Just thinking of ways to keep the cost down... I doubt the caravan springs would have any give holding up a neon. I know using P body springs on an L body was like having solid bars holding the car up and those are pretty close in size. They only stayed on the Omni till I got back from the test drive... Yeah, I'll try anything once

so it would be a bumpyer, easier to flip ride? is that what im understanding?
If you kept the caravan springs definitly bumpier... as in you could tell if that dime you ran over was heads or tails! 3" higher than stock on anything is easier to flip. Your handling would be alot worse for sure. You would have to treat it just like any other lifted vehicle. For off road rally (as in blowin' across streams) it would be awsome, for spirited street driving a nightmare. But you could bust through a foot of snow with ease!
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:30 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
now you see, thats what im talking about right there... tearing up lil bitches lawns in meh neighborhood
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:48 pm
by occasional demons
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:55 pm
by 03blackrt
stock srt struts + stock non-srt springs = ~1/2" > ~1" lift
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:59 pm
by IGotYourDoughnut
really?... thats not too hard at all