ABS question

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:20 pm

My new neon doesn't have ABS, if you get the axles that have ABS, then would you have ABS then? Or does it take more to actually have ABS on your neon?

yellowpatrol · Post by **yellowpatrol** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:29 pm

There's an ABS module, lines and such also.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:32 pm

The ABS system consists of many components. It would be quite a bit of work to do a swap. Too much to make it worthwhile, IMO.

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:36 pm

is it really expensive for the swap? i just got a job that'll ensure that I'll be able to afford it, and I'm curious would it be possible to do the swap through dodge?

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:39 pm

a swap like that through a dealer, if even possible to get done, would be extremely expensive.

paying somone $100/hour is not the way to go with this job. abs is over rated anyways. good tires and smart driving is just as good as abs.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:40 pm

You would need several things. Probably the most expensive part would be an engine bay wire harness that has the connector for the ABS module, a body wire harness that has the connectors for all the ABS sensors, the ABS module, a master cylinder with connectors to go to the ABS module, sensors and then one other item that wraps around the knuckle that sends info to the sensor, but I can't remember its name right now.... I think that covers all that you would need to install an ABS system on your car.

Now... just to give you an idea of cost, the first item that I listed, the engine bay wire harness, will cost you almost $1k.

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:44 pm

hansken_yo wrote:You would need several things. Probably the most expensive part would be an engine bay wire harness that has the connector for the ABS module, a body wire harness that has the connectors for all the ABS sensors, the ABS module, a master cylinder with connectors to go to the ABS module, sensors and then one other item that wraps around the knuckle that sends info to the sensor, but I can't remember its name right now.... I think that covers all that you would need to install an ABS system on your car.

Now... just to give you an idea of cost, the first item that I listed, the engine bay wire harness, will cost you almost $1k.

If it wouldn't be too much to ask, can I get a complete list of the parts I'll need to install an ABS, I may be able to get most of the parts from turbogod's toys.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:44 pm

You don't want to do it. In addition to what Yo listed, you would also need the brake lines themselves.

Oh, and it's the tone wheel Yo. It comes on the axle on the front, and on the hub in the back

*Edit* If you are serious, I'll look these parts up...it's a lot of work. And Yo is right, it will be in the thousands. A good non-abs brake will cost much less and preform better as well.

yellowpatrol · Post by **yellowpatrol** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:47 pm

^ From the dealer. You can find harnesses on eBay for ~$150 . You just have to be careful that they don't look like mine.

http://s237.photobucket.com/albums/ff85 ... 20harness/

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:48 pm

i wouldn't mess with a used harness unless i could completely check it out first. if somethings missing, that will royally screw up your day.

King Crab · Post by **King Crab** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:51 pm

racer12306 wrote:abs is over rated anyways. good tires and smart driving is just as good as abs.

ABS isn't over rated, it is just damn smooth....... I agree that good tires and smart driving is a plus, but definitely not as good as ABS.

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:51 pm

Danteneon wrote:

You don't want to do it. In addition to what Yo listed, you would also need the brake lines themselves.

Oh, and it's the tone wheel Yo. It comes on the axle on the front, and on the hub in the back

*Edit* If you are serious, I'll look these parts up...it's a lot of work. And Yo is right, it will be in the thousands. A good non-abs brake will cost much less and preform better as well.

I'm very serious about this, I want to do a complete swap....minus the sunroof. engine, transmission, and suspension. So far, all I have is a rear sway bar from the srt.

yellowpatrol · Post by **yellowpatrol** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:54 pm

I agree, but when it comes down to $1000 vs $100 and you can ask the seller for detailed pictures before you buy it...

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:59 pm

Well, I'm at $3410.65 (plus tax). That includes just about everything (but I'm sure I didn't get everything).

Still sound like a good idea? If you want to do a swap, get ourself a wrecked SRT and start swapping. It make no sense to buy this stuff new. Only buy what isn't good on the donor car.

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:00 pm

is there an hourly budget for a complete ABS removal and replacement?

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:02 pm

We wouldn't even have a set time for this labor-wise. It would consist of several different R&R's lumped together.

I would think at least 10 hours.

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:02 pm

It sounds great. With this new job, I'll be make 1k a week so this will be done faster than I expected. this makes me happy in pants

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:05 pm

Wow. Ummm, ok. Let me know know where you would like the parts sent

Seriously though, save the money for the go-fast goodies and get the ABS from your donor. Unless you are buying all new SRT stuff too. In which case send me a PM so I can get the crazy commission off this sale!

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:17 pm

Danteneon wrote:Wow. Ummm, ok. Let me know know where you would like the parts sent

Seriously though, save the money for the go-fast goodies and get the ABS from your donor. Unless you are buying all new SRT stuff too. In which case send me a PM so I can get the crazy commission off this sale!

if you'd like me to buy them through you so you can get commission, i'd be happy to help, I'm probably gonna start with small parts first until I get to the big ones(going by cheapest to most expensive). Hopefully within 3-4 months I should have the ABS added and ready to begin completing the srt-4 suspension swap. The ABS is the biggest component I need as far as I'm beginning to grasp. I kinda knew I was gonna have to do this first, since I wanted to swap the suspension first.

Danteneon · Post by **Danteneon** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:39 pm

I was not serious about buying from me. It wouldn't make sense to buy the stuff from my dealership only to have them shipped to you when you can go to your local dealer and avoid the freight.

The commission would be nice though

Keep in mind that you may have a hard time finding someone at a parts department to look this stuff up for you without some grief, or at all. Believe it or not, even though the sale would be nice to make many counterpeople are lazy and may blow you off. If that happens try another dealer.

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:50 pm

Okay.. Honestly, the only way you should really go about doing this is to find a wrecked SRT, buy the whole car for cheap... maybe 4-5k????... swap it ALL and fix what needs to be fixed. You'd save a lot more money that way.

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:51 pm

i've been through enough to be aware of that, thanks for the heads up though.

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:02 pm

I'm curious, why are you so determined to have ABS? Does your mother/wife/gf drive the car?

hansken_yo · Post by **hansken_yo** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:09 pm

Well, If your really serious about doing the ABS, send me a PM I have some spare parts laying around the ABS Module, SRT Master Cylinder, and maybe the ABS brake sensors (I can't remember on those right now, I'll check when i get home.) I'd be happy to get them out of my garage since I'm not using them.

SRT-Wannabe · Post by **SRT-Wannabe** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:39 pm

Donkeypuncher wrote:I'm curious, why are you so determined to have ABS? Does your mother/wife/gf drive the car?

Actually, it's just me, wouldn't really let anyone else drive my car. I just want a complete performance swap, I don't know how I can explain this, but the difference from the r/t and this neon is night and day. The r/t drove and handled much smoother than the neon i'm driving now.

Donkeypuncher · Post by **Donkeypuncher** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:57 pm

The r/t has sport suspension and a rear sway bar, that's why it handles better. I believe the steering is less power assisted as well. The abs shouldn't have any affect on the handling of the car unless it's really wet. Upgrade the suspension first, that is your problem.