Suspension hierarchy

[bone-yard-racing]

Dampers:
Penske
Koni<2gn inserts only
Bilstein
Ohlins
Sachs
Dynamic suspension<Only direct fit 2gn
http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets6.html

Sadly only 2 of these make 2gn struts so 2gn specific
Koni inserts
acr Dynamics
SRT acr illuminas
Chrysler R/T stock
Tokico blue
KYB
SRT
Stock

Springs:
H&R: Any strut should be fine
Mopar: Any strut and great ride quality
Tein: only use with Konis or Dynamics<nu,bers look good but unproven and some unhappy SRT owners
** Run from all others**

Coilovers:
Buy konis send to ground control or truechoice end of story
Tein dampers are useless
BCs are unproven

[LilSparkPlug]

Tein springs are horrible for the SRTs. You should switch that to say just neons if thats the case. They blow out LCA bushings and struts like its nobodies business. I've replaced them on cars with Teins on four separate occasions.

[bone-yard-racing]

S-techs or do they make more than 1 spring? The spring rates lead me to believe that they handle great. Were these stock SRT struts and LCAs if so they may have been too soft for the job at hand. The s-techs are nice and stiff 196/205IIRC
Edited either way

[LilSparkPlug]

Tein makes S-techs and H-techs for the SRT. The H-techs are milder than the S-techs, which are the ones that cause all the destruction of the struts and LCA Bushings. Not to mention they handle like hell over bumps and give an incredibly bouncy ride.

http://www.jscspeed.com/srt4/suspension ... prings.htm

Again...SRT related only...I cannot speak for regular neon suspension setups in relation to Tein products.

[NiteHawk]

Springs:
H&R: Any strut should be fine
Mopar: Any strut and great ride quality
Tein: only use with Konis or Dynamics<nu,bers look good but unproven and some unhappy SRT owners
** Run from all others**

run from all others?

hotchkis springs are far better IMHO than both the Mopar and Tein springs.

thats pretty stupid that you just said run from all others, have you even used hotchkis springs???

and of course, that list is all based on your personal opinions...i'de take my hotchkis over any of the springs already mentioned

[bone-yard-racing]

One other thing after looking at that link. If the person who wants to sell you springs cant tell you the spring rates run far far away from them. Same with shock dyno print outs of the dampers you want to buy not what the models did but what the ones you just bought do.

[LilSparkPlug]

I just posted the link so you could see they made two different types of springs, it was the first one that came up in a google search.

[ZeroChad]

How are BC's unproven. There are quite a few people that use them on the SRT board, and a few on here including me. Do you mean with respect to technical testing of some sort?

[bone-yard-racing]

Springs:
H&R: Any strut should be fine
Mopar: Any strut and great ride quality
Tein: only use with Konis or Dynamics<nu,bers look good but unproven and some unhappy SRT owners
** Run from all others**

run from all others?

hotchkis springs are far better IMHO than both the Mopar and Tein springs.

thats pretty stupid that you just said run from all others, have you even used hotchkis springs???

and of course, that list is all based on your personal opinions...i'de take my hotchkis over any of the springs already mentioned

Hotchkis are 230/200 what do you have for bars to get it to turn and what is it like? If it were me I would go with hotchkis rears and H&R fronts for a track car and mopar front for auto-x. I have never used hotchkis neon springs. I have yet to find a reason to stray from mopar or performance driven.
As for the BCs being unproven they have no shock dyno plot for the neon cartrages and no shock dyno plot for anything that I can see in english. Visit the link and see what I am talking about when it comes to cheap dampers.
The first list comes from the link at the bottom of it and I tend to agree with a shock engineer who has dynoed more shocks than any of us have seen.
The only off the shelf coilovers I would use are the Mopar/KW and for that price you could almost get the koni/ground control combo.
Lets keep this going I would like this to turn into a very specific 2gn neon suspension guide

[Danteneon]

Coilovers:
Buy konis send to ground control or truechoice end of story
Tein dampers are useless
BCs are unproven

I would put the MP/KW coil-overs second on that list. Not because they don't handle as well as the Konis, but because they don't offer compression adjustment, only rebound.

[glasswars]

How are BC's unproven. There are quite a few people that use them on the SRT board, and a few on here including me. Do you mean with respect to technical testing of some sort?

Agreed, where is the science on all of these? This seems to be all opinion, really uneducated opinion at that.

[bone-yard-racing]

READ THE LINK!!! That explanes the dampers. As for springs sorry but more lowerer isnt better in all cases the only 4 springs I could easily find rates for are the ones listed. As I have said a million times by now find me a shock dyno plot (in english or translate it) cant do that can you? No dyno plots=suck. I brought up the KWs in the last post they just slipped my mind. If you guys have BCs and like them more power to you but you a giving up a lot in the corners compared to good coilovers or even a good strut/spring combo it dosent take coilovers to go fast.

[NiteHawk]

i have hotchkis bars. steering is very responsive, but i dont have the oversteer that i hear people complaining about with the bars...

also i should note, hotchkis does not make neon springs, only srt4 specific springs. i have srt monroe sensatrac struts (same as the mopar value-line struts), and i couldnt be happier with my whole setup considering i have springs.

the only thing that would make me happier is full coilovers.

i installed the springs first, about a year ago, then just recently got the bars...

the springs alone made a significant difference in steering and braking... car didnt lean nearly as much in the corners and didnt barely weight shift at all during hard shifting

now with the bars on, i've gone around a few curves and the car just stays planted.........its almost orgasmic

ride is a lil rough with 230lb front springs, but not really bouncy at all...only on highways that were made that way to begin with......like 22 from delmont out to new alexandria......road was made very crappy, so the car does have some bounce, but even stock cars bounce on that one, lol

[hansken_yo]

How are BC's unproven. There are quite a few people that use them on the SRT board, and a few on here including me. Do you mean with respect to technical testing of some sort?

Agreed, where is the science on all of these? This seems to be all opinion, really uneducated opinion at that.

Exactly. To be honest, any system can work and work damn well depending on the driver and how they can handle their cars. There are some products that are obviously deficient, but as you get into products that are good quality it all comes down to opinion and preference, oh and what else you mix it with. This is why different racing teams run on different setups and promote their products, etc, etc. They all THINK they have the best.

So as this Hierarchy of suspension parts is a well informed opinion, it is opinion at best and not an end all to what is out there.

As for the BC Coilovers, though I have not seen any technical data, I know several people that run them on the race track. Their thoughts on the product stands as it is an excellent entry level coilover, especially with the camber plates at a great price.

[sneakers O'toole]

not sure if this is off topic or not, but does anyone know the kazera spring rates?