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Posted: **Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:00 pm**

i have some questions about them...

1. hows their quality? good bad, average?

2. what kind of damage if any, do they do to the struts. i have tokico blues, supposed to dampen lowered rides well just not dramaticly

3. does anyone have pictures of them installed or anything? (of the drop)

thanks

Posted: **Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:05 pm**

If you have Tokico Blues, save for another 2 weeks and get some proper springs. Those struts will handle a pretty damn good drop, so don't cheap out. eBay sleeves = crap.

Posted: **Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:09 pm**

i am already lowered. on prokits and tokicos.

have you ever had experience with them? or are you relating to posted material?

i want to be pretty slammed. but dont necessarily have the big budget for coilovers.

Posted: **Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:52 pm**

You should be damn low with the set-up you have. Those sleeves wont get you any lower, from posts I've seen. Even if you did, your struts would be shot. Just from previously posted material. Save up for a while, or just deal with the height you're at. Not much lower than you already are without some CO's.

Posted: **Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:55 pm**

i dont think its that low, but i just may have to suck it up and get legit c/o's

blown.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:41 am**

check out my cardomain i have them installed on tokico blues too they ride like crap honestly.... i hate them but i dont have the money for springs.. and these were only $50 but the lowering capabilities are decent.. i have pretty good drop on mine... but ya feel free to ask any other q's

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:05 am**

It's poor man coilovers, and they perform like crap. It's no better than cutting your stock spring, or doing the ghetto drop where you heat up the springs.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:04 am**

im droped on them! little bouncey but i get beter 60' times hahaha

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:49 am**

03wingswestR/T wrote:im droped on them! little bouncey but i get beter 60' times hahaha

really?? is that what the white car in your siggy is dropped on? because it looks vicious lol

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:24 am**

Notes: There are 3 right ways to lower one of these cars:
Mopar SRT stg1 springs with R/T or SRT struts
H&R/Hotchkis/S-tech springs with Konis or Illuminas
Eibach pro-street coilovers/Mopar KW coilovers

Pick your poison

A couple points:
There are 2 sorts of "coilovers"
Spring and sleeve- commonly called e-bay coilovers even though ground control also makes them. A set of these and good dampers will outperform ANY of the commercially available coilovers for these cars(save Motons)
"Real" Coilovers- BC, Ksport, D2, Tein, Megan ignore for a second that these are usually built by 4 year old Malaysian children and arent designed by people who know anything about shocks.

If you want to lower the car for the least amount of money Id go with R/T or SRT struts and the mopar SRT stg1 springs they arent the lowest thing in the world but they are one of the stiffer springs on the market.

When you take height away from a spring it has to accomplish the same amount of work in a shorter stroke therefore the spring rate must be higher. Many people equate the blowing of struts with overly high spring rates this is not the case, the damper is over worked in a certain range of motion as the drop negates however much it is in compression travel. A 1" drop spring costs you 1" of compression travel however droop travel remains the same as the strut can extend past the spring if the weight is taken off of it(picking up a rear wheel in a corner for example). A good starting point is every 1" of travel lost requires 50lbs of spring rate so 2" drop springs(sportlines, dropzone, a few others) should be 225lb springs for the front. Remember you only have about 3" of compression travel in the front before you hit the bumpstops.

The biggest tip I can give you:
DO NOT CUT THE BUMP STOPS regardless of what the instructions that come with your springs say dont do it. You only have about 1" of bump stop on these cars before piston hits case and bad things happen to your struts.

If all this sounds too much for you save your pennies and get the Eibach pro-street coilovers $1000 and you can dump the car as far as you want plus the Eibach people can make a shock. If you call them with exactly what you want to do they can custom valve and spring the coilovers. However I would expect them to say that the stock pro-street stuff is correct for that.

Ive gone over the spring and sleeve coilover thing before please go read it

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:29 am**

03wingswestR/T wrote:i'm dropped on them! little bouncy but i get better 60' times hahaha

Are you kidding?... I thought you had Stage 1s?

OP - please don't do it. They're cheap for a reason -- because they suck. This has been covered many times and it's always concluded that they are junk and ride like shit. If that wasn't the case, people wouldn't pay $900+ for legitimate coilovers. Just stick to the Eibachs for now until you can afford some Megan coilovers which are the cheapest I think. That's what glasswars has and I've never heard him complain about them.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:50 am**

^-- yea im just gonna have to wait. i want that sick nasty drop that ppls get with them coilovers lol.

anthonys had them for about a year now? and never had problems, so if and when i do get them, thats what im going for. Megans. FTW.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 11:05 am**

Yep It's been like a year, and as far as I know, he's had no issues with them.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:38 pm**

My KSports are holding up very well, too. Only a few months, but basically the same coilover.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:02 pm**

i had the stage 1,s but pulled them off and my buddy had a set of those ebay's so im rockin em... 2.5 60' times with stage 1's and 2.1 60' times with ebays on bald street tires!!

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:13 pm**

i have 2 sets of the sleve from ebay. i let them it go for 15 plus shipping.
im on springs and never go around to put them on.
lmk... meab even rock em for now till u get real coilovers.
the ride is not so bad when i had it on my hatch while in high school it was ok.

Posted: **Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:52 pm**

pictures of your hatch dropped??

Posted: **Sat Jun 27, 2009 2:24 am**

neonslg09 wrote:pictures of your hatch dropped??

yep this is the only pics i found on my pc meab i have some at my work.

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:03 am**

thats so sexy.... why did you get rid of it? and then to a neon?

Posted: **Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:36 am**

neonslg09 wrote:thats so sexy.... why did you get rid of it? and then to a neon?

car was stolen when i live in NJ (Newark).
it was a great car fun to drive, never got around doing any swap had it's stock single cam.
plans where very big for it but then.

ohhh and why go to a neon......... cuz no1 will steal that.

when they found the car it was just bare frame.
they even stole my gas tank

overnight parts from Japan.
you know how that goes....

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:05 pm**

man stealing a gas tank is hXc.

sooooo i bought a set of these, for shits and giggles. i got them in today. i may install them soon. ill ride on them for a day. see how i like the ride. if i dont like them, ill just garbage them and back with the wonderful pro-kits. either way, its an alternative to being lower until coilovers. i dont care if i blow the struts, done it before, and didnt even know. its not like i will sit on the ground like i have air-ride suspension or something. oh well.

ill let everyone know my misery, or happiness in a few days to a week.

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:36 pm**

ok well when you install them you need to pull off the little metal sleeves for the bump stops, just take a hammer and give em a nice tap on the bottom, and trim ur bump stops down or take them out thats what i did...

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:43 pm**

do you mean the plastic dirt sheild thing??

and ok put the metal sleeves on and tap them with a hammer? why?

and i may remove the bump stops, i dunnno though

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:36 pm**

no when you pull the dust sheilds off you will see a metal sleeve looking thing it has to come off in order for the spring to fit on the perch!

Posted: **Tue Jul 21, 2009 11:42 pm**

so if i just hit it with a hammer, it will pop off?

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:41 am**

ya i think so.. i used an air hammer and it popped off..

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:14 am**

i hated mine, they gave the car good handling, but besides that forget just a causal drive, my kidneys will never be the same, i am set up on kyb struts, and eibach sportline springs, alot happier, and really about the same stance as with the cheap coilovers

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:46 am**

the reason i didnt go with sportlines was because of their soft spring rate

i didnt wanna slam on everything with driving down the road.

like i said before though, i will either report misery or happiness. and i dont have to leave them on. its kinda like a trial and error for me.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:46 am**

i have never bottomed out on my sportlines, where the sleaves i bottomed out all the time.

Posted: **Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:33 pm**

well i seem to bottom out quite enough with Tokicos and Pro-kits...

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those ebay coilover sleeves..

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