Replacement LCA bushing options

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Replacement LCA bushing options

Post by ducktapetg » Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:44 am

Ok, so after replacing my vertical control arm bushings with OEM bushings less than 21k ago, I need to replace them again. I would like to replace the tie rods and ball joints while I am there. Is it worth dishing out the dough for the prothane replacement control arms from Modern or would the Moog replacement control arms work fine? I am leaning towards moog because they are cheap but I do not want to be replacing these in another 2 years. Thoughts?

Keep in mind, this is my daily so I can't really afford to have a long down time ie burning out bushings and whatnot.

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Post by Neon4Life » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:29 am

if your not crazy lowered then go OEM again and since u said u dont have alot of time for down time then once again just go oem bushings.


have you seen these,

http://www.moogproblemsolver.com/moog/w ... _Sheet.pdf


they are new, only a hand full people have used them but i hear they are good.
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Post by ducktapetg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:12 am

Well I do plan on lowering it when I replace the control arm bushings as I just bought some struts and springs. Anyway, I have seen those bushings and very much like their design. It is too bad they don't come pre-installed on their problem solver control arms.

I am leaning towards the Moog brand still as the cost for both control arms is equal to the cost of one OEM control arm.
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Post by silverneontuner » Tue Apr 15, 2014 11:48 pm

i am a licensed tech and we put moogs in everything we do... on avaerage we replace the control arm bushing once ever 2-5 years on average and our roads suck. my 2gn is lowered 2 inches and ive done them 3 times , cheap to do every couple years. Our cars are bad for sway bar bushings too.

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Post by ducktapetg » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:22 am

Thanks for the input. I guess replacing with the moog parts is the cheapest short term solution.
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Post by racer12306 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:52 pm

I bought problem solvers from Moog. Been happy with them. That horrendous clunk went away because of the new bushings. Cheap labor to install them too.

When I asked my mechanic about it he said to get the problem solvers and replace the whole thing because it would cost a lot of labor to do just the bushings and would be cheaper in the long run.

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Post by ragek23 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:29 pm

silverneontuner wrote:i am a licensed tech and we put moogs in everything we do... on avaerage we replace the control arm bushing once ever 2-5 years on average and our roads suck. my 2gn is lowered 2 inches and ive done them 3 times , cheap to do every couple years. Our cars are bad for sway bar bushings too.
hmm i used energy suspension bushings and i've replaced my control arm bushings twice in 150K miles. The energy suspension bushings lasted 90K. In CT we have really rough roads too. Recently I got the prothane kit and I spend about $250 in total to have them purchased and installed.

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Re: Replacement LCA bushing options

Post by valleyracer » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:01 am

ducktapetg wrote:Ok, so after replacing my vertical control arm bushings with OEM bushings less than 21k ago, I need to replace them again. I would like to replace the tie rods and ball joints while I am there. Is it worth dishing out the dough for the prothane replacement control arms from Modern or would the Moog replacement control arms work fine? I am leaning towards moog because they are cheap but I do not want to be replacing these in another 2 years. Thoughts?

Keep in mind, this is my daily so I can't really afford to have a long down time ie burning out bushings and whatnot.

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I have put up video on youtube for installing the prothane front-c-arm bushings and lots of photos (which I can provide)
The c-arms from Modern have their share of detractors. The energy suspension bushings require shaving down the c-arm metal.
The prothane bushings LAST along time.
The moog bushings material isn't polyurethane.
You could install the prothane poly just from my pix and video!!

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Post by ducktapetg » Tue Sep 16, 2014 6:41 am

Thanks. I already replaced the control arms with Moog replacements but, if I have to do it again, I think I will go with polyurethane bushings.
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Post by fixit » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:49 pm

my prothane's lasted ~50k.. by far the best i've used is the moog problem solvers..
ducktapetg wrote:Thanks. I already replaced the control arms with Moog replacements but, if I have to do it again, I think I will go with polyurethane bushings.

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Post by occasional demons » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:08 pm

I have well over 100,000 on my ES bushings.
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Post by fixit » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:24 pm

50k on mine
car tracked straight on the highway, add 10% throttle and it would pull into the next lane

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Post by 04R/T » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:46 am

The Moog problem solvers didn't work that great when I installed them, maybe i got some defective ones? In any case, when installing them watch that the big washer doesn't bend when when torquing.

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Post by NickKo » Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:33 pm

04R/T wrote:The Moog problem solvers didn't work that great when I installed them, maybe i got some defective ones? In any case, when installing them watch that the big washer doesn't bend when when torquing.

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Video and photos available

Post by valleyracer » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:17 am

ducktapetg wrote:Thanks. I already replaced the control arms with Moog replacements but, if I have to do it again, I think I will go with polyurethane bushings.
When my 99NEON and 05 ACR were getting the front c-arm bushings in stalled (Prothane) - I took complete photos and YOUtube video. YOu can do the whole thing if you look at my DIY photos and video.
I couldn't though reproduce the RUST and corrosion thing of the great lakes region. :)
But we did find at least SOME rust

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fixit - very good photos

Post by valleyracer » Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:45 am

[quote="fixit"]50k on mine
car tracked straight on the highway, add 10% throttle and it would pull into the next lane


I was unfairly spanking a ghetto Honda with my amazing 2nd gear torque, then hit a wet patch of pavement. My ACR did the 1950's hip-hop dance. Stopped accelerating (but the rev's went up) and some torque steer, wheel BOUNCE. Humiliated
That was it for that. We did the MOPAR lowering springs and prothane front c-arm upgrade. Dropped me down a bit too!!
(that suspension event bruised my ego)

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