Caliber SRT-4

welchspro · Post by **welchspro** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:15 am

what a fugly ass that thing has! i dislike calibers... whenever i see one i shake my head

OB · Post by OB » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:44 am

Hopefully the sales of those things plummets and dodge realizes what a mistake they made by cancelling the neon. But first, someone needs to stuff the caliber srt4 powertrain into a neon!!!

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 8:09 am

OB wrote:Hopefully the sales of those things plummets and dodge realizes what a mistake they made by cancelling the neon. But first, someone needs to stuff the caliber srt4 powertrain into a neon!!!

It would probably produce similar results as the Neon SRT-4.

Dodge underrated the Neon SRT-4 and the 230hp, 250ft.lbs is at the wheels and not the crank

The Caliber SRT-4 has 300hp, 260 ft.lbs at the crank.

So 12-15% parasitic loss = 250-260hp at the wheels,

eh.. I'll keep the A855 with Stage 1 and an Exhaust

Just look at the MS3. Rated at 265hp at the crank.. I've seen 240-250 at the wheels.

Post by **racer12306** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:13 am

i think dodge did a good thing getting rid of the neon. but i also think they did a bad job with its replacement. they could have made it sportier and gave it a better ride than the neon (dont know if the caliber does ride better or not). It was time to replace the engine with something a little more modern and efficient, but i think all engines should be more efficient.

:puts on 20 layer flame suit:

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:09 pm

What they needed to have done with the neon is make a third gen with a few engine mods (2.4 all world engine would be better) and a few body mods, like a beefed up front to look like a charger/avenger. New lights, tails, some slight buldges in the fenders, offer it again in two door and keep the SRT, but offer it as a 6-speed AWD... nthe base neon would easily sell a 2.0L all world engine (like the base caliber who offers a 1.8 also) at 13k... possibly less because it would not have been as bulky meaning less parts. They could offer the SXT with the 2.4 WE, and the RT in a 2.4L DOHC WE with AWD and 5-speed rate it around 180 hp and you have a real car once again. Most people wouldnt mind that it said Neon.

edit: I realize I wrote ALL world engine, when I meant World Engine.

Neonix · Post by **Neonix** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 4:15 pm

Blah..gross.

I'll stick with my wagon over that one.

Chibits12 · Post by **Chibits12** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:32 pm

Daimler-Benz blows. It wasn't a real merger in the beginning, it was more like a takeover since they bought almost 2/3 of the Chrysler stocks. Now they're ditching Chrysler because they're not profitable...

Caliber still sucks; It wasn't cute alright, it was fugly and heavy as hell.

SILVER-ES · Post by **SILVER-ES** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 9:50 pm

OB wrote:Hopefully the sales of those things plummets and dodge realizes what a mistake they made by cancelling the neon.

Hopefully not, Chrysler has enough problems as it is.

04NeonsX · Post by **04NeonsX** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:17 pm

I wonder if it still comes with the glove box fridge??

MoxHair · Post by **MoxHair** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:23 pm

The A/C blowing on some water bottles, hardly qualifies as a fridge

neon2ner · Post by **neon2ner** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:26 pm

dodge did a stupid thing getting rid of the neon. now they have NO small car to compete with other small cars from other manufacturers. people were still buying neons because its more affordable and cheaper to maintain than a honda or something of the sort. people are still buying cobalts for the same reason, but now dodge can't compete with them either. the neon was never comparable to the honda, people buy a honda and neon for different reasons.

as for the caliber, they shot themselves in the foot again. put AWD in the r/t but not the SRT? wtf mate? the r/t doesnt have enough power to need AWD. the srt-4 neon had enough traction problems with front wheel drive, you think they would've learned. but instead they put 300 hp (yes i realize that's at the crank) in another front wheel drive platform. they should've developed that AWD for the srt-4 neon. imagine what would've become of that, no more traction issues, and it would've been more comparable to the evo and STi. thats the one major thing srt's lack.

but i digress. what do i know, i'm just an automotive marketing student.

scott.

03blackrt · Post by **03blackrt** » Wed Apr 04, 2007 10:45 pm

neon2ner wrote:
as for the caliber, they shot themselves in the foot again. put AWD in the r/t but not the SRT? wtf mate? the r/t doesnt have enough power to need AWD. the srt-4 neon had enough traction problems with front wheel drive, you think they would've learned. but instead they put 300 hp (yes i realize that's at the crank) in another front wheel drive platform. they should've developed that AWD for the srt-4 neon. imagine what would've become of that, no more traction issues, and it would've been more comparable to the evo and STi. thats the one major thing srt's lack.

weight, cost, and reliability reasons is why the SRT-4 Caliber doesn't have AWD.

One thing the Caliber SRT will have over the Neon SRT is 6spds vs 5spds. Chysler says it will be in the sub 14 seconds.

Cabbs · Post by **Cabbs** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 12:54 am

I think Dodge went backwards with the Nitro too. Why does the SXT get the 6 speed while the R/T doesn't???

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:01 am

racer12306 wrote:i think dodge did a good thing getting rid of the neon...

:puts on 20 layer flame suit:

You're gonna need it!

But I still hate Calibers.

azianmopar05 · Post by **azianmopar05** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:19 am

my mom just bought an 07 caliber. tell you the truth i love driving it. its not as spotier then then neon but great crusing car/traving car. only thing that has me weirded out is the transmission..i can slam the gas to the floor can the rev goes straight to 6500 redlline and stays there. it seems like it never shifts. mom has plans for it already . she's has on order a set of eibach pro-kit and slapping on a set of 18in wheels. just got 20% tint put on not to long ago...but still would of loved if they continued the srt-4 neon..

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:23 am

azianmopar05 wrote:only thing that has me weirded out is the transmission..i can slam the gas to the floor can the rev goes straight to 6500 redlline and stays there. it seems like it never shifts.

That's due to the CVT transmission (yeah, the non-Kokomo, Mexican-made ATX). I've heard that acceleration with one of those is just like riding on a golf cart.

azianmopar05 · Post by **azianmopar05** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 1:47 am

its is thats why its fun to drive.lol

phenomeneon21 · Post by **phenomeneon21** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:08 am

I personally can't wait for the Caliber SRT-4 to come out. I may not pick one up when the first year model comes out because we all know how Dodge likes to play...release a first year model, then the next year model gets a fancy new upgrade (04/05 SRT-4 w/ LSD) or submodel (ex. SRT-4 ACR).

I personally bought a Neon because it stood out from the crowd. My 1995 Strawberry Red Neon was the ugliest car according to my friends, but when it was put up against their cars (90 Plymouth Laser, 96 Saturn SC1, 96 Toyota Corolla) it beat the snot out of 'em in just about every category. I think the Caliber SRT-4 has potential to do the same against the Mazdaspeed 3 and other speedwagons out there. It has that raw ugliness like the Neon did when it first came out and the SRT-4 version has that raw power that'll make it outshine the competition like the Neon SRT-4 did.

I guess I just like to root for the underdogs. Hopefully more people will warm up to it as we see more leaked pictures and more of them driving around. Sorry for the long post, but I really do wanna see this car do well, much like the Neon SRT-4 did to everyones surprise.

Post by **racer12306** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 4:59 pm

Midnight_Rider wrote:
azianmopar05 wrote:only thing that has me weirded out is the transmission..i can slam the gas to the floor can the rev goes straight to 6500 redlline and stays there. it seems like it never shifts.
That's due to the CVT transmission (yeah, the non-Kokomo, Mexican-made ATX). I've heard that acceleration with one of those is just like riding on a golf cart.

CVT's are definitly interesting. my mom's Ion has one. it takes a bit to get used to.

Midnight_Rider wrote:
racer12306 wrote:i think dodge did a good thing getting rid of the neon...

:puts on 20 layer flame suit:
You're gonna need it!

But I still hate Calibers.

Surprisingly you were the only one to comment on that David.

I still think that they needed something that was a little nicer, in the ride department. Improve the Neon or make a new platform. My mom's Ion has a pretty good ride for a small car. However, I do agree with neon2ner, they were stupid to get rid of the small car and not have a small car to replace it.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:56 pm

i think it was def time to get rid of the neon, not the srt4 though

scneonchic · Post by **scneonchic** » Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:32 pm

ragek23 wrote:nope they are pretty big, there are a few around campus. its just so wrong dodge would replace the neon with something like that.

ever parked by one?
they are taller than a neon, maybe slightly longer, but the same over all size.

azianmopar05 wrote:my mom just bought an 07 caliber. tell you the truth i love driving it. its not as spotier then then neon but great crusing car/traving car. only thing that has me weirded out is the transmission..i can slam the gas to the floor can the rev goes straight to 6500 redlline and stays there. it seems like it never shifts. mom has plans for it already . she's has on order a set of eibach pro-kit and slapping on a set of 18in wheels. just got 20% tint put on not to long ago...but still would of loved if they continued the srt-4 neon..

Id like to see pics of that actually!

TNK · Post by **TNK** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:08 am

hawt. i like it. hated the Calibers when they first came out. but now i want one.

OB · Post by OB » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:11 am

MoxHairR/T wrote:
OB wrote:Hopefully the sales of those things plummets and dodge realizes what a mistake they made by cancelling the neon. But first, someone needs to stuff the caliber srt4 powertrain into a neon!!!
It would probably produce similar results as the Neon SRT-4.

Dodge underrated the Neon SRT-4 and the 230hp, 250ft.lbs is at the wheels and not the crank

The Caliber SRT-4 has 300hp, 260 ft.lbs at the crank.

So 12-15% parasitic loss = 250-260hp at the wheels,

eh.. I'll keep the A855 with Stage 1 and an Exhaust

Just look at the MS3. Rated at 265hp at the crank.. I've seen 240-250 at the wheels.

I heard that the caliber srt4 was equipped with AWD. Big difference if thats the case.

J-Villa · Post by **J-Villa** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:15 am

^^ that was the first rumors...but i guess the reason why it's been not released yet is b/c srt does not wanna do the car at all unless it's awd....from the crazy torque steers it's gettin being fwd to chassis problems and swayeness on the highway are all some of the current problems with the srt....as to why srt wants it to be awd...there are rumors about 2 versions being released...a lower hp turbo version, then a later release of the srt4 300 hp turbo version...kinda like the pt cruiser has a low hp turbo model and a high out put turbo model...

i think the srt version is hot, probably b/c i love the older style durango's...and calibers to me look like mini durangos

Post by **racer12306** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:38 am

i bet 300hp in a fwd car would have some bitchin torque steer. even with equal length shafts.

i know our old sundance with the 3.0 and a trick auto had some good torque steer and that was only 141hp.

silentneon01 · Post by **silentneon01** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:48 am

saw the avenger today sweet looking car. but they hit the sebring with the ugly stick

kc2005ptgt · Post by **kc2005ptgt** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:21 am

I drove an Avenger SXT, it was nice, responsive and fast, great interior, and felt like a mid sized car but drove like a sport compact... I enjhoyed it and would own one in a heart beat - as long as it was a 6speed, awd, SRT6

MyNeonSaysHi · Post by **MyNeonSaysHi** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:53 pm

cabbspapp wrote:I think Dodge went backwards with the Nitro too. Why does the SXT get the 6 speed while the R/T doesn't???

The SXT gets a 5 speed.

When is the Caliber going to be released?

I was told in November from a Chrysler dude, that they were shooting for a late spring release? True?

I also heard rumours that it will be AWD, thats why they are delaying it...
Who knows...

Midnight_Rider · Post by **Midnight_Rider** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:51 pm

TNK wrote:hawt. i like it. hated the Calibers when they first came out. but now i want one.

Traitor.

scneonchic · Post by **scneonchic** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:31 pm

TNK wrote:hawt. i like it. hated the Calibers when they first came out. but now i want one.

no you dont....stick to neons.