srt-4 suspension pic request

Andpto · Post by **Andpto** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:07 pm

ive searched the forums and i cant find a non-srt neon with a srt-4 shocks and struts. i remember i saw a topic way back on it but i cant find it.

does anybody have a pic of one?

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 9:04 pm

That would be me. Go to my cardomain and go to the modifications page, I think it's page three. Plenty of ride height comparison pictures, as well as actual tape measurements of differences.

Edit: I'm putting on the 17" wheels, if you check back here later I'll post the pics of that, too.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:41 pm

doing the srt-4 suspension swap is pretty useless. it wont lower it. if you want to use 17" wheels on your ride. you minus well go with some tokico struts or kyb's with lowering springs. there is a wide variety of springs.

Adionik · Post by **Adionik** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:45 pm

My ride is WAY better than the stock struts/springs. The SRT's are by tokico.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:47 pm

i forgot to add that you can also use srt or stock struts with kazera springs.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:07 am

03neonSE wrote:doing the srt-4 suspension swap is pretty useless. it wont lower it. if you want to use 17" wheels on your ride. you minus well go with some tokico struts or kyb's with lowering springs. there is a wide variety of springs.

Who told you this? SRT struts are valved differently. Old news. Not to mention they can be obtained for rather cheap, since lots of SRT guys swap out to other suspension. So for peanuts, plus a set of decent lowering springs, you can get better response and a stiffer spring rate, while allowing you to run larger wheel/tire combo.

I paid 80 bux for my SRT struts. I'm more than happy with them. Paired with the cheap but nice springs I have, I not only lowered my car, but improved my ride quite a bit, and for very little $$$ which is the main point (PLUS I get to run larger wheels now).

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:43 pm

the reason srt guys swap out there suspension to aftermarket struts and springs is to get better handling. for the amount of work doing the srt swap, just for a little bit more handling is worthless. if you want true handling, i suggest you save money and buy some tokico or kyb struts with some eibach or tein-s springs. just because our factory struts are made by tokico, doesnt mean you can just put any lowering springs. they build it to the manufactures specs. with most springs, you can blow stock struts out. im glad you like your peanut struts.

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:11 pm

You spend a LOT more money that way!

All I had to do to improve my ride a noticable amount was pay for some cheap lowering springs and some good used SRT4 struts. It cost 1/3 or LESS than what you're talking about.

SRT struts ARE VALVED DIFFERENTLY than non-SRT ones! Paired with lowering springs, the handling is NICE. It's not as great as Tokicos or Koni inserts, but it's BETTER than non-SRT, and paired with a set of decent spring rates (mine are 230 in front and 200 in rear), it makes a BIG improvement. BIG. Add in the fact that those guys who had no swaybar option and didn't have the mount points for one, now they do, because the SRT's came with rear sways.

For those of us on a budget, who want to lower our cars, get better handling than stock, and run with bigger wheel/tire combos, SRT struts w/ cheap aftermarket springs is the way to go. Your way is fine if you have the money, but seriously, I wouldn't do that either, because for a little more, you can have a set of BC coilovers and that's FAR better.

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:09 pm

Arro wrote:You spend a LOT more money that way!

lets see, KYB GR-2's are $57 each = $228, plus springs is $192. thats with the Eibach Pro-Kit springs. all come out to $420 total, with out shipping. not very expensive there.

Arro wrote:All I had to do to improve my ride a noticable amount was pay for some cheap lowering springs and some good used SRT4 struts. It cost 1/3 or LESS than what you're talking about.

yea, you

saved alot

Arro wrote:SRT struts ARE VALVED DIFFERENTLY than non-SRT ones! Paired with lowering springs, the handling is NICE. It's not as great as Tokicos or Koni inserts, but it's BETTER than non-SRT, and paired with a set of decent spring rates (mine are 230 in front and 200 in rear), it makes a BIG improvement.

i drove an srt with stock suspension vs a srt with tokicos with the eibach pro-kit. the srt with the tokicos handled alot better around turns than the srt with stock suspension. nuff said.

Arro wrote:Add in the fact that those guys who had no swaybar option and didn't have the mount points for one, now they do, because the SRT's came with rear sways.

IIRC, all srt's came with rear sway bars. vitor has a kit that you can install a rear sway bar without changing struts if you didnt get the rear swaybar option.

Arro wrote:For those of us on a budget, who want to lower our cars, get better handling than stock, and run with bigger wheel/tire combos, SRT struts w/ cheap aftermarket springs is the way to go.

MOST people here run 17's. not everybody does. but did you know you can actually use srt wheels or any 17" (IIRC) on the stock neon struts non-srt, with a 40 series tire? your tire will not hit the perch. looks like you lost $80 for srt struts for little performance and just to clear bigger wheel/tire combo. oh and a rear swaybar. are you even auto-x with your neon?

Arro wrote: Your way is fine if you have the money, but seriously, I wouldn't do that either, because for a little more, you can have a set of BC coilovers and that's FAR better.

did you ever read on how to rebuilt coilovers? rebuild kits go for $200-$300. its not a one day job either and not easy. coilovers are good. people here like them and run them. thats fine but its not my cup of tea.

im done with my post. all im saying is to invest in an aftermarket suspension setup if you want better handling. people who do that will be much more happier than stock. you can use kazera spings on stock struts and be fine. it will give a drop of 1.5" front and 1.4" in the back. perfect if you just want the looks.

Andpto wrote:ive searched the forums and i cant find a non-srt neon with a srt-4 shocks and struts. i remember i saw a topic way back on it but i cant find it.

to answer your question, handling will improve very little. it will drop the car but also very very little. pretty much a - waste - of - money. are you looking for handling or just for looks?

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:35 pm

03neonSE wrote:lets see, KYB GR-2's are $57 each = $228, plus springs is $192. thats with the Eibach Pro-Kit springs. all come out to $420 total, with out shipping. not very expensive there.

Arro wrote:All I had to do to improve my ride a noticable amount was pay for some cheap lowering springs and some good used SRT4 struts. It cost 1/3 or LESS than what you're talking about.
yea, you saved alot

Yeah, I did, actually. I only spent about $80 for the springs plus $30 shipping (that's $110, I had thought I paid $120 but I checked just now).... then I paid $80 for the SRT struts, in good condition. So that's what, a grand total of $190???

03neonSE wrote:
Arro wrote:SRT struts ARE VALVED DIFFERENTLY than non-SRT ones! Paired with lowering springs, the handling is NICE. It's not as great as Tokicos or Koni inserts, but it's BETTER than non-SRT, and paired with a set of decent spring rates (mine are 230 in front and 200 in rear), it makes a BIG improvement.
i drove an srt with stock suspension vs a srt with tokicos with the eibach pro-kit. the srt with the tokicos handled alot better around turns than the srt with stock suspension. nuff said.

No, NOT enough said... did you read my tagline? Hello! I'm a 2000 SE. SRT struts w/ aftermarket springs is a big difference from a NON-SRT suspension. NON-SRT. Let me say it again, in the hopes that you get my point: I AM NOT AN SRT! Stock NON-SRT struts are valved with more rebound than the SRT struts. Period. Just switching to SRT struts for a NON-SRT is a minor improvement. Paired with lowering springs with a stiffer than stock spring rate, it's now something more than minor improvement.

YES, if I was an SRT-4, Illuminas would be a big improvement. However, I AM NOT AN SRT-4!

03neonSE wrote:
Arro wrote:Add in the fact that those guys who had no swaybar option and didn't have the mount points for one, now they do, because the SRT's came with rear sways.
IIRC, all srt's came with rear sway bars. vitor has a kit that you can install a rear sway bar without changing struts if you didnt get the rear swaybar option.

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Arro wrote:For those of us on a budget, who want to lower our cars, get better handling than stock, and run with bigger wheel/tire combos, SRT struts w/ cheap aftermarket springs is the way to go.

03neonSE wrote:MOST people here run 17's. not everybody does. but did you know you can actually use srt wheels or any 17" (IIRC) on the stock neon struts non-srt, with a 40 series tire? your tire will not hit the perch. looks like you lost $80 for srt struts for little performance and just to clear bigger wheel/tire combo. oh and a rear swaybar. are you even auto-x with your neon?

YES, you finally got a detail right

I had this discussion many months ago man.I wanted more rubber, so 205/40 17 was too low. As it is, I went wider, too... I have 215/45 17's, which have the same wall height as 205/50 17. And YES, I'm now ready to auto-x, which I plan to do quite extensively for the next year until I'm ready to upgrade to REAL coilovers anyways. Not some pain in the ass inserts. But first I want to improve my driving skills on what I consider an intermediate upgrade that I have now.

03neonSE wrote:
Arro wrote: Your way is fine if you have the money, but seriously, I wouldn't do that either, because for a little more, you can have a set of BC coilovers and that's FAR better.

did you ever read on how to rebuilt coilovers? rebuild kits go for $200-$300. its not a one day job either and not easy. coilovers are good. people here like them and run them. thats fine but its not my cup of tea.

I looked into Koni inserts, and you are wrong, that's just for one pair. Like you said, it's a PITA, and it's expensive, and for the price, you mght as well get the illuminas. And then at that point, save a few hundred more for the BC coilovers instead.

For guys who want an amateur setup for peanuts, that also lowers their car, gives them a little better rebound rate, and lets them run more rubber than a 205/40 17, my way is fine. Better than fine, it's wallet-friendly

Panhead · Post by **Panhead** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:57 pm

if you say the srt struts have more rebound then explain to me why my friends blew his srt struts with eibach springs.

spencersummerfield · Post by **spencersummerfield** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:58 pm

or

2000 with SRT TEIN's and tokicos

Arro · Post by **Arro** » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:04 am

03neonSE wrote:if you say the srt struts have more rebound then explain to me why my friends blew his srt struts with eibach springs.

Eibachs are probably more agressive of a rate than mine for one thing (the Eibach ProKits on my DSM certainly were), and for two, all it takes is a few months of driving on rough road conditions. I take it easy unless I'm on familiar roads. I'm not saying these will stand up to the test of time like some nicer aftermarket struts, but by the time these give way (which I imagine won't be for reasonable time), I'll switch to BC coilovers anyways. So again, for under 200 bux, if it lasts a year, I'm happy.

Like I said, for many of us, it's a cheap and reasonable improvement over stock, while affording us more wheel/tire options and allowing us to have swaybars (if the car in question didn't have them previously).

never meant to say it's the best setup. Far from it. But it works